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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 11:33 AM
    Good Things about IV
    1. IV Core does not conduct its business in the forum. They learnt this lesson a long time ago.
    2. All their work is done in the donor forum and behind the scenes by volunteers
    3. If they feel that any idea is worth pursuing they invite that person (with the idea) behind the scenes and pursue that idea
    4. All the work is done by IV members themselves because they are helping themselves
    5. IV members are investing time and money to do work which impacts a large number of immigrants
    6. That is a professional way to do stuff and i admire the way work is done at IV

    Concerns of IV
    1. IV always states about the lack of will of people to do something for themselves
    2. IV always states that people just comment on forum but do not step forward to do stuff
    3. IV always says that people do not donate enough and without donation a grassroot organization will not survive

    What IV is doing wrong
    1. IV talks about a holistic approach whereby the benefit to EB community will trickle down and once EB2 will become current EB3 will get benefit of spillover
    2. IV is assuming EB2 will become current but with the number of indians coming to USA and number of indian students who will graduate from MS courses in USA over the next 5 years EB2I will always be backlogged
    3. Plus we are not even talking about EB2 ROW and EB3ROW demand which could go up
    4. Supporting the DV 55k bill to US educated GC applicants on the whole looks like a great plan. Sure here are 55k and here are about 150 k GC applicants. 150 - 50 IS 100 K. So if the bill passes we reduce the backlog by 50 k. Now i will am one of the person who will be getting a GC because i am US educated but my opposition to this bill is on principle
    5. What IV has to realise is that it is not only IV members specifically but it is a whole lot of non IV members who are EB3 who have been a bigger person in this whole immigration retorgression advocacy scheme of things till now.

    How let me explain. We have seen EB3 persons from 2002 who are still waiting for GC and who are not getting spill over visas because EB2 is using up all the spill over visas. So do you see any EB3 now complaining about the rule change supported by IV and made by USCIS whereby EB2 gets spill over visas. NO we do not see any EB3 complaining. That is because EB3 as a whole understands that that rule in the past being interpeted in a wrong way and the current way is the correct interpetation. Sure the old method gave EB3 some extra spill over visa benefit but the new interpetation caused EB3 to dry up compleletly. Now that in itself is against the very nature of self preservation by definition, But EB3 went along for the greater good

    What IV can do right
    1. Now we have this 55K DV Bill. This is something different from the spillover (which is law and cannot be changed). This is one time oppurtunity to alieviate the sufferings of EB group as a whole. So can IV which is supposed to be talking for the whole EB community do the right thing here and ensure (with advocacy they are so good at) that IV's stand is that 55K visa are given to all GC applicant from retrogressed countries based on oldest priority date first irrespective of EB2 and EB3.

    2. The concequence of such a move is that long retrogressed EB applicants will get relief (Which is one of the point IV talks about in their charter)
    3. Sure Many US educated applicants from EB2 and EB3 will oppose this move because lets face it, this move impacts their getting GC sooner. And if they behave like that they are in the same category as EB2 guys on this forum who do not entertain any idea which will impact their getting GC soon.

    What wil happen if IV does the above
    1. The DV 55K bill will NEVER pass in congress. This along with the other bills we have seen will bite the dust because no one in the current economic scenario would like to see more immigrants (US educated or not)

    2. The DV 55K bill will fail but IV would have achieved what it has failed to do till now. Get the support of EB3 community which they claim to represent.

    Synopsis
    How how does this work. This is a suggestion for discussion NOT a diktat to IV core to implement. If IV core does not allow discussion on this (and moderate this because frankly some of your existing advocacy group members and volunteers do not know what a discussion is and come out both fists swinging) then that is IV core perogative. they have that right since this is their system and they worked hard for it, and they believe what they say is right.

    One question i do have for all the members who have argued with me here. Have you seen all the discussion i have participated under and my other posts. Please do that before yelling that i was a member since 2006 and freeloader and all that. You need to do this because if i am you enemy (Scounderal, Liad weed, Anti Immgrant, Future USA etc) then don't you think to know your enemy is better.

    On a funny flip side ...............................
    How will this be treated by the current members
    Ohh He is a liar, cheat, sounderrl, absurer, voilent person, free loader, smooch, weed, Anti Immgrant, future USA and other unspeakable things

    By the way guys i am a She not a He

    Adieu/Ciao





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  • grupak
    02-15 06:42 PM
    I don't know what % of that group consists of H4 spouse of H1 folks. But i believe a good percentage of those applied through the TOEFL,GRE route.

    Anyone knows of statistics for F1 visas per country? This might fill in some gaps here. My impression was some countries send more F1s than others.





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  • andy garcia
    02-23 09:51 AM
    whatamidoinghere,
    what is the source of you information.
    Can we maintain a information on such numbers on IV itself so that we have one place to see it.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseData.aspx





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  • VivekAhuja
    09-23 04:03 PM
    One of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard!



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  • akred
    02-15 11:11 PM
    oguinan,

    Paragraph 1 of Article 1 establishes the definition of racial discrimination for the purpose of the document. Paragraphs 2 and 3 limit the operation of the convention. As to why paragraphs 2 & 3 were included, perhaps they were required to get countries to sign on to the convention.

    Here's a better link. Read under Modern Racial Exclusion, excerpts of which I have posted below.

    http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/immigr09.htm

    ...similarly situated persons (e.g., siblings and children of U.S. citizens) may face radically different waits for immigration depending on their country of origin, with accompanying racial impacts.

    The law created a new immigrant visa program that effectively represents affirmative action for white immigrants, a group that benefitted from preferential treatment under the national origins quota system until 1965. Congress, in an ironic twist of political jargon, established the "diversity" visa program, which though facially neutral prefers immigrants from nations populated primarily by white people.

    The link to the CERD report is here. The convention does not address the country limit directly as the convention expressly does not apply in that area, but it does show that there is awareness about the discrimination faced by immigrants. http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/(Symbol)/6d8aee7e356e6498c1256d4e00557f3b?Opendocument

    You can see that the UN panel is aware of the fact that racial discrimination manifests itself in disproportional representation (note the reference to the composition of the Supreme Court). It can be argued that the 7% country limit provides a pretext to discriminate against India/China/Mexico on the basis of ethnic or racial origin, and as such would run afoul of the convention.





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  • chanduv23
    08-17 03:21 PM
    This should not be a silly topic and won't be...I want to take this opportunity to bring the bigger issue here... things happen for a reason... we all need to understand that we have to make a positive out of this issue... Atleast all educated folks like us should be able to channel our wisdom to those folks who feels that they are above all... That kind of mentality should need to change in INDIA for people like SRK and politicians and lot of business tycoons.... I believe this incident is very good opportunity, one more time, once again for all those conscious folks who live here US and INDIA to make things better for life.

    "snathan" do not disappoint when people disagree with you... I 100% concur with your thought process...


    "chanduv23"

    I like the way that you put things in a perspective called your own prism. I do agree lot of things that you say but you seem lack of very basic fundamental human touch...

    World is a BEAUTIFUL PLACE... Mother EARTH is an awesome place to live... do not fall into a trap those who morons used and twisted great peoples words and made this place worse for political gains/reasons. Please do not twist/turn the great one and only Einstein words and his context is different.

    My point here is "Respect should be given by that acts that you do in life...should not be given just by demand"

    All I am saying is that "IN INDIA WE GOT SOOOOOOO MANY PROBLEMS TO SOLVE" why SRK cribbing about this incident... and innocent/ignorant and un educated folks going crazy over there.... instead he can do lot of better things in INDIA so that he can be recognized all over the world and given respect.


    EDUCATION, EDUCATION AND EDUCATION is the only solution for all the problems in the world.

    Well - world is definitely a beautiful place. World is beautiful because of beautiful good people. Like there is a saying "How is house different from a home? House maybe be beatiful and big but it is a home ONLY if it is a happy place to live" and making the world our home lies in how we make sure that it is a happy place to live.

    While your approach towards solving the problems is "education" in my opinion education does help, but that is NOT the only factor. Change happens gradually. Don't we all agree that the most educated people might be the biggest "problem creators"


    WRT snathan - he is a personal friend and I know him. He is sympathetic towards poor and downtrodden and wants to fight against injustice etc.....

    To snathan - to understand things in a better perspective, I recommend that you try this. Invite 30 hungry, poor, starving people to your house and provide them with food, education, good life and ask them to seek opportunities to better themselves. You may face the following

    (1) People may get more demanding
    (2) They may fight among themselves
    (3) Some might steal from you
    (4) Some might get into unethical activities
    (5) Some might disrespect you and step over you
    (6) They may show more respect to those who did not care for them and curse you for some silly reason.

    You might find some good people who really do what you intend them to do.

    Why I say this is - there is no GOOD POOR MAN nor BAD RICH MAN - different people behave different in different circumstances.

    Did you know that India's independence struggle, American civil liberty struggle were all funded by rich businessmen - they trusted the leaders and gave a lot of money for campaigns for them to be successful.



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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 01:40 PM
    Let me see if I understand PlainSpeak's language:
    1. IV core needs to put a lot of resources to lobby for the DV bill, knowing full well that this bill will go nowhere!

    2. Raise a false sense of hope among the EB3 community, again, knowing full well that its going to be dashed - just so that IV gains the trust of EB3 (I am EB3, and they have my trust without your logic!)

    3. An exercise to gain trust by misleading!:D

    I wonder why IV core did not come up with this brilliant idea ;)
    Mr willigetgc to start off with here are a few facts

    1. IV core needs to put a lot of resources to lobby for the DV bill
    IV Core need not put a lot of resources to lobby for DV bill if they feel it is not worth the time and effort. that is for IV Core to decide and the decision is theirs to make after all they know about advocacy and lobbying

    1. knowing full well that this bill will go nowhere!
    That is my personal opinion and also the opinion of a whole bunch of people on this forum who do not agree with me but do agrree to teh fact that it has been 4 years since any immigration friendly bill came to be debated in congress. What wil make DV bill any different. This wil also go the same way. I would be surpirsed if it even comes up for debate

    2. Raise a false sense of hope among the EB3 community, again, knowing full well that its going to be dashed - just so that IV gains the trust of EB3

    My friend willigetgc what do EB3 people have besides hope. If you look at the statistics i will get GC in 19 year sand you with a priority date of May 07 (20 - 25 years). No reason not to hope for something and if IV really believes in what i suggested (I am sure it will go through all possible refinements) that would be a signal of not just hope but also action on part of IV to do something about EB Retrogressed folks. Now i am not saying it will happen and i am also not saying it will. All i am saying is here is a chnace to do something different which is also right because iot is not part of teh IV charter that IV is working to get relief for retrogressed EB

    (I am EB3, and they have my trust without your logic!)
    And what a great thing it is that you being an EB3 with a priority date of 2007 are working with EB2 hand in hand to get something done. It is great that you have trust with IV. Without trust nothing works. What i say is i have trust in IV i do not have trust that what they advocate is good for EB3. Semantics you may say but please read the lines carefully my friend. I hope you will understand





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  • alterego
    01-28 09:14 AM
    USCIS should create a way of reporting such abuses, with protection to those who report it.

    This is one area I think most people can agree upon. It might seem at first glance to be a victimless crime, but we clearly know otherwise.

    This just goes to show how lopsided EB immigration is in favour of the employer. When companies without much reputation wantonly disregard the rules, and blatantly advertise like this, the USCIS/US gov't ought to reconsider whether they are deserving of such power. If not because such practices hurt those like us, then because they hurt US workers as well.

    The solution however is not to disband the entire H1b system/EB greencard system as the anti immigrants want but to modify the rules surrounding it. I think most fair minded people can agree that this is needed now.



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  • viva
    01-28 01:57 PM
    I think my previous question asking the poster of the question to contribute was deleted by the moderator.

    It is a valid request to ask the poster of the question to contribute. If the person is coming on this site hoping to get a benefit from the members, then they must be willing to help out the organization too. I believe in the saying ," You scratch my back, I scratch yours."

    There is no force involved here; it is just persuasion in the right direction. We will never reach our contribution goals if all people continue to get answers without contributing to the organization in return.

    Core team- We should display a pop-ad for any new member signing up to IV asking them if they want to contribute. We need to get aggressive. This is no time to be passive.





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  • poorslumdog
    09-04 12:44 PM
    You know the reason why I had to cancel my CC. Its been compromised....
    Get a life...Idiot....

    so now you are a free loader and got a reason for that. Nice try. Try something else..it didnt work out. :cool:



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  • nogc_noproblem
    07-25 03:03 AM
    VDLRAO - You brought lot of valid points which supported by authentic statistics. But surprisingly Ron’s comment about the Aug bulletin is totally vague. You can throw the numbers to prove your claim but I don’t think Ron really has any such numerical explanation for his statement.

    With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).

    I doubt it whether he knows about the USCIS has changed the spill overs to horizontal fall outs and due to that the number of visas added to EB2 India/China. The horizontal spill over is giving a greatest adventage to EB2 India and making it run to catch up CURRENT. I see in the link http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5456&page=8 , in one post he is predicting " I expect to see substantial worldwide EB3 movement during the next fiscal year." . But its not true because the EB3 world wide wont have many visas as before from now on. The EB3 world wide will move based on the 7% quota but not more than that.





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  • nitinboston
    05-29 04:52 PM
    Its time to wake up. The writing is on the wall. I have been stuck in EB3 since 2005 and i dont see myself getting a GC anytime soon. The only way the govt here will realise how much we contribute to this economy is, When we will start leaving in droves.
    I got my PR to Canada in 8 months and am already applying for job's there. I think i am done with this system, there are way too many people running after way few GC's. And USCIS knows it, we are a bunch of brown people sitting on our knees begging for GC. We have become the slaves of 21'st century, and i am gonna break free from it. More of us do so, better it would be. If US wants to loose all educated hard working people to Canada, Australia and other countries, so be it.



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  • ras
    07-06 02:49 AM
    Is there certain minimum numbers of days one has to stay with the sponsoring company after getting the Green Card.
    In my case I have been working with my current employer since Sept-2001 (almost 7 years).
    Green card labor started in Dec-2001 and I-485 was filed in May and approved June, 2008.

    I was in the middle of using AC21 just before my GC got approved, hence this urgency.

    I think if you are with the employer and your GC got approved. You probably ought to work for the employer atleast for 6 months to one year. If you could have used AC 21 already before approval then things would have been different.





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  • chanduv23
    07-21 03:31 PM
    After participating and running so many campaigns on IV, it may not be a bad idea to run a campaign to addrss the same

    Just like we successfuly eradicate "SMALLPOX", we can do something like eradicate "AMMWAY MENACE"

    Reqruit volunteers who would act like ammway victims

    Volunteers will collect all information about this ammway guy, his picture (so easy with BB, iphone etc..) , his location , his manners etc....

    Post all their information on a website.

    Have a mobile app wherein one can key in some details about a ammway guy and gets a response back.

    Make a database of al these people - ridicule them openly on the website - circulate the website to all websites so that others see them.

    They will then realise how much they are hated for what they are and what they do.

    At some stage, this menace will stop.



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  • longq
    02-13 03:09 PM
    They do not have to go to 7% if they don't want to. However; they can't go over it; if there is more demand then supply.

    I am not disputing this. Entire discussion here is how to handle if demand is less than supply due to the impose of 7%.





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  • rahulpaper
    06-28 05:11 PM
    the cycle for visa exhaustion has to happen before USCIS triggers action....its just not how many applications showed up on their door...and one(including me) should not feel toooo bad if we are not able to submit application becasue the visa numbers were exhausted. More painful will be if it is only based on applications received and mine went in a little later than others. lot of hard works has gone into prepraing this application. I would hire my attorney to put a suit against himself...

    As i understand it...number of applications received by USCIS on july 2nd does not in any way affect the acceptance of application on july 22nd......do you see it as i see it

    Still, just because DOS told USCIS "Visas are exhausted" doesnt mean they should stop ACCEPTING new petitions. They can stop APPROVING new ones, but why stop ACCEPTING new petitions. Visa bulletins guide the filing as well as approval of petitions. If visa bulletins is current, then they can both accept and approve petitions.



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  • unseenguy
    04-01 02:28 AM
    Left parties are the worst no doubt about that. Have you gone through the BJP manifesto, its IT vision document and also have you heard about Friends of BJP forums started by Indian businessmen. Yes, Advani runs his politics on religion and Ram temple. Do you think congress does not use religion? Do you hear the news that in Kerala congress has fielded candidates supported by church? Tomorrow if Sri Sri Ravi Shankar or Ramdev baba do the same thing with BJP, our media will shout from the roof top that this is communalism. Do you know Congress is allied with Muslim League in Kerala?

    Snathan, all parties use the dirty tricks. Congress, BJP, Communists. But I will always support the party which builds Ram Temple rather than the party which destroys Ram Setu and even denies the existence of Ram.

    I agree and how can we forget the reservation for OBC by congress. Persecution of sikhs after the murder of Indira Gandhi. That time congress was doing right thing it seems and they were not merchants of death of the time. Is it?

    That is not communalism but if someone says injustice is being done to Hindus or brahmins, that is communalism.





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  • qualified_trash
    11-12 06:40 PM
    everyone on this thread must ask ourselves this question:

    My HR manager has told me that there will be a labor available which I may be able to use to gain a better PD and get my GC in record time. Do I go for it?

    If your answer to the above question is NO, may I suggest you have your head examined.........

    If your answer to the above question is YES, may I suggest that you do not worry too much about LC substitution.

    I personally would never pass up a chance at a pre-approved labor and I bear no ill will or grudge against those who have benefited from the same. This country and world is large enough for all to coexist and do well........

    As for the people who have benefited, there is something to be said about being in the right place at right time.......





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  • factoryman
    02-12 08:55 PM
    From Zhang (http://www.hooyou.com/news/news011307bulletin.html):
    We suspect that the large number of approved cases in BEC have a big impact on the progress of Visa Bulletins. Department of Labor announced on December 11 that the BEC then had 142,418 cases pending, while in September, the pending case number was 176,000. In the past three months, about 33,600 cases have been removed, with a pace of 11,000/month. Then, the number of I-140 & I-485 petitions soared up in the past several months. This fact stalls visa bulletins in department of state. We predict that it is hard to see a big progress in visa bulletin, given the hope that BEC will keep its current pace of processing cases. However, we don�t expect to see a big retrogression of visa bulletin in the next a few months either. Things may change in the second half of 2007.





    vdlrao
    07-22 12:01 AM
    The Thing is No Matter how much we go logically, but nobodys know which direction USCIS will take.
    Not that I am contradicting your logic for calculations, i completely agree with your calculations.


    USCIS TRYING ITS BEST, with the available resources, TO KEEP THE EMPLOYMENT BASED CATEGORY IN SHAPE.

    BUT THE REASON FOR ALL THIS MESS IS ITS WORKING WITH DECADES OLD IMMIGRATION RULES and WITH a HUGE DEMAND OF EB VISAS FROM A VERY FEW COUNTRIES.

    THE MESS IS WITH THE IMMIGRATION RULES, WHICH ARE WRITTEN DECADES BACK (MAY BE AT THAT TIME THE LAW MAKERS MIGHT NOT HAVE ASSUMED THE EB DEMAND WOULD BE FROM A FEW COUNTRIES LIKE INDIA and CHINA), BUT NOT WITH THE USCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    TIME is REACHED FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.





    kumar1
    07-13 04:27 PM
    I'm tired and extremely frustrated. Maybe this country does NOT need
    an experience special education teacher nor a registered nurse (my husband), who studied here but cannot work because of unavailability of visa/green card.

    Starting today, I will explore the possibility of moving to Canada. Could anyone direct me on how to start?
    Google "Canada Immigration"... very first link that you get will be very useful.



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