rustamehind
08-10 12:21 PM
What make you think BCOM or BBA or BSC is less than any other Bachelor degree EB3 own labor guys have. I am not here to defend or oppose LS. But before you talk about people who are not from same educational background as you, you should come out of bottom of Rock you have been living and breathe some fresh air. I for one, who has BCom and able to get my labor and GC cleared without using any of short cuts. :mad::mad::mad:
The reference was for people who were using other people's approved labours , filed with 4 year degree requirement to jump the line.If you got GC with your own credentials (degree & experience) , thats fine.
The reference was for people who were using other people's approved labours , filed with 4 year degree requirement to jump the line.If you got GC with your own credentials (degree & experience) , thats fine.
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optimystic
10-24 03:44 PM
I really don't understand, what can be RFE about, as you have been with the same company all these years. You really deserve a Greencard straight away without a single question after such a Long wait. I hope your RFE is very simple to answer and I wish that you get your Greencard soon. Good Luck.
Thanks for the good luck . I really need it !
I am hoping that it would be something simple as well.
- I am guessing it might be about employment verification (since its been a long time),
OR
- Current job description (probably they want to make sure I am in the same job role or going to be in the same job role for which GC was applied) . Which is more or less the case. My law-firm/company did a good job of declaring a generic (still O*net compliant) job title/description which luckily encompasses the range of roles (compliant with the job description) I have been doing over the last 8 years. And if required, at this point, I am at a stage where I am willing to take a demotion or something if required to work on the job role that matches the GC temporarily, if thats what it takes. And I am sure my company will fully support me. There is no dearth of requirement for fresh coders/developers at our team/company. They would probably be happy to oblige :D . But I hope it doesn't come to that. I think there is some leniency allowed in the growth of job scope/promotion etc over the course of years it takes to get the GC. Gurus any comments ?
OR
- some clarification about overall H1B status or something across all these years (although I know for sure my H1B status, I-94 etc has been perfectly clean so far)
OR
- Medical checkups may have expired and they need new ones? (my medical reports are from June 2007)
OR
- Ability to pay ! I don't think this would be the case. My company is a well reputed/respected Fortune 50 company. So hopefully USCIS IOs are also aware that my company would not have ability to pay issues! But who knows, in these economic crisis, they probably doubt every company !
OR
- Questions about Mergers/aquisitions/layoff announcements at my company?? I don't think these events by themselves matter/affect my I-485 case after the I-140 stage. My lawyer had clarified to the same effect. But they might trigger a request for employement verification.
What could be other reasons that you guys can think off?
Thanks for the good luck . I really need it !
I am hoping that it would be something simple as well.
- I am guessing it might be about employment verification (since its been a long time),
OR
- Current job description (probably they want to make sure I am in the same job role or going to be in the same job role for which GC was applied) . Which is more or less the case. My law-firm/company did a good job of declaring a generic (still O*net compliant) job title/description which luckily encompasses the range of roles (compliant with the job description) I have been doing over the last 8 years. And if required, at this point, I am at a stage where I am willing to take a demotion or something if required to work on the job role that matches the GC temporarily, if thats what it takes. And I am sure my company will fully support me. There is no dearth of requirement for fresh coders/developers at our team/company. They would probably be happy to oblige :D . But I hope it doesn't come to that. I think there is some leniency allowed in the growth of job scope/promotion etc over the course of years it takes to get the GC. Gurus any comments ?
OR
- some clarification about overall H1B status or something across all these years (although I know for sure my H1B status, I-94 etc has been perfectly clean so far)
OR
- Medical checkups may have expired and they need new ones? (my medical reports are from June 2007)
OR
- Ability to pay ! I don't think this would be the case. My company is a well reputed/respected Fortune 50 company. So hopefully USCIS IOs are also aware that my company would not have ability to pay issues! But who knows, in these economic crisis, they probably doubt every company !
OR
- Questions about Mergers/aquisitions/layoff announcements at my company?? I don't think these events by themselves matter/affect my I-485 case after the I-140 stage. My lawyer had clarified to the same effect. But they might trigger a request for employement verification.
What could be other reasons that you guys can think off?
raysaikat
01-05 03:48 AM
two mother in laws???
He might have 4. (extending logic that his father in laws also had two wives) :)
Not necessarily 4 mother in laws; the wives could be sisters.
So the number of parents-in-laws, x, is bounded above and below according to Indian law as follows:
2<=x<=20.
He might have 4. (extending logic that his father in laws also had two wives) :)
Not necessarily 4 mother in laws; the wives could be sisters.
So the number of parents-in-laws, x, is bounded above and below according to Indian law as follows:
2<=x<=20.
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gcgamble
12-13 10:14 PM
I always wonder and think what we do more that cannot be done offshore in India. As a business owner you are always concerned about bottomline. I work for IBM and I am on short assignments at different client locations, during early 2000s some offices used to have exclusive american staff (or should say white) then it was Indians on H1 Bs and now there are more Indians in offices than americans and if I check who they are, 90% of the time they are on site from a outsourcing companies. So I see that as a trend. As a CIO you got to wonder if I employ 90 out 100 of my staff who are high skilled Indians here why cant I just go to India and get them for cheap and tell my fellow CIO buddies how I saved money and how they should also do it. So it is a combination of cost benefits and chain reaction.
Even I feel what I can I do which my fellow Indian in India cant do, since considering we went to same school etc. It is not like we are inventing rockets here we are all intelligent people to some degree and hard work is part of our blood so if I can do it I bet my neighbor can also do it.I think it not far when everything repeatable will be moved to India same as why you do not find very many americans laying a optic wire cable or digging a road, but almost 100% of the time the optic fibre company boss is American and usually white.
I understand CIO line of thinking ...he may see all indians around and think of offshoring ..but he dont realize the desi consultants are here through a preferred vendor who might be american who is getting business through this placement and he might be employing one american and so the chain goes on ....But when he says to CIOs and every one start doing the same ..then after some time the Job growth decreases, so is consumer spending ...And as a result ,this CIO may be layed off ,as a part of cost cutting measures and Outsource his job too ...:D
At the same time i dont know enough to take any side between free trade and protectionism....
Even I feel what I can I do which my fellow Indian in India cant do, since considering we went to same school etc. It is not like we are inventing rockets here we are all intelligent people to some degree and hard work is part of our blood so if I can do it I bet my neighbor can also do it.I think it not far when everything repeatable will be moved to India same as why you do not find very many americans laying a optic wire cable or digging a road, but almost 100% of the time the optic fibre company boss is American and usually white.
I understand CIO line of thinking ...he may see all indians around and think of offshoring ..but he dont realize the desi consultants are here through a preferred vendor who might be american who is getting business through this placement and he might be employing one american and so the chain goes on ....But when he says to CIOs and every one start doing the same ..then after some time the Job growth decreases, so is consumer spending ...And as a result ,this CIO may be layed off ,as a part of cost cutting measures and Outsource his job too ...:D
At the same time i dont know enough to take any side between free trade and protectionism....
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kanvenk
12-12 03:40 PM
I concur.
Thanks.
Please remember that even if BEC clears the application with 2001 priority dates. These people still need to:
1) Apply for I140
2) Have I-140 Approved
3) Apply for I-485 only if their priority date is current
4) Complete various I-485 tasks like fingerprinting, BACKGROUND CHECKS (this is a huge one and unless you are lucky you can get stranded for anywhere between 6 months to 3 years)
5) Now after completing 1 - 4 above you can expect that they will apply a visa number to the application
Thanks.
Please remember that even if BEC clears the application with 2001 priority dates. These people still need to:
1) Apply for I140
2) Have I-140 Approved
3) Apply for I-485 only if their priority date is current
4) Complete various I-485 tasks like fingerprinting, BACKGROUND CHECKS (this is a huge one and unless you are lucky you can get stranded for anywhere between 6 months to 3 years)
5) Now after completing 1 - 4 above you can expect that they will apply a visa number to the application
Sakthisagar
07-29 03:19 PM
Guys we see a very unhealthy trend here where any disagreement is not tolerated. This forum is for legal skilled immigrants and we sometimes show how unskilled we are when it comes to tolerance of opinion here.
isantem, while I understand the diversity argument, when it comes to skilled immigration it doesn't really help. The data itself shows that the overwhelming number of skilled immigrants come from India/China. If the objective is to let the most skilled immigrants in, then the US should forget about diversity. Unfortunately in terms of volume and talent combined, India and China handily beat the rest of the world. Even if EB3 goes to 2002 so be it, but at least you are treating all skilled immigrants on a level playing field rather than discriminating them based on where they were born. If the US continues to do this, there is a serious danger (and this has been documented) that skilled folks in India/China will no longer find the US attractive. Its already happening with the economy booming in India. In fact, we'll probably see you or your kids standing in line for an Indian or Chinese green card in a few years (and I doubt India or China will focus on diversity when it comes to attracting the most skilled talent).
The last line is only a Dream.. I value your opinion, and wish that to happem. as they say Sounds Good, given the situation Political and economic in India and China it will never ever happen. Politically motivated religious fights, killing the political opponent who is having a diferent opinion, no entry for good thinking poeple in all levels in India. So thie last statements in your paragraph is only SOUNDS GOOD! India still is 60 % poor economically. Never Compare The USA with Third world developing countries. Please be Sane ...
isantem, while I understand the diversity argument, when it comes to skilled immigration it doesn't really help. The data itself shows that the overwhelming number of skilled immigrants come from India/China. If the objective is to let the most skilled immigrants in, then the US should forget about diversity. Unfortunately in terms of volume and talent combined, India and China handily beat the rest of the world. Even if EB3 goes to 2002 so be it, but at least you are treating all skilled immigrants on a level playing field rather than discriminating them based on where they were born. If the US continues to do this, there is a serious danger (and this has been documented) that skilled folks in India/China will no longer find the US attractive. Its already happening with the economy booming in India. In fact, we'll probably see you or your kids standing in line for an Indian or Chinese green card in a few years (and I doubt India or China will focus on diversity when it comes to attracting the most skilled talent).
The last line is only a Dream.. I value your opinion, and wish that to happem. as they say Sounds Good, given the situation Political and economic in India and China it will never ever happen. Politically motivated religious fights, killing the political opponent who is having a diferent opinion, no entry for good thinking poeple in all levels in India. So thie last statements in your paragraph is only SOUNDS GOOD! India still is 60 % poor economically. Never Compare The USA with Third world developing countries. Please be Sane ...
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01-17 10:07 PM
I sent a hand-written letter to the President today.
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walking_dude
12-05 06:18 PM
Providing ability to file AOS (485) without priority dates being current is part of the IV agenda. Nobody is ignoring the plight of those who have been left behind. IV is still working for your cause.
Have patience. There's a funding drive for Recapturing going on right now. It will help you (and others) to file 485. If unused visa numbers are captured dates will become current again, and you can apply for AOS. Given that PDs will jump forward by years in every category you have a good chance of getting GC in a short period of time.
Does any body think of people who did not get a chance to file I-485 who had earlier priority date(2002-mar 2005) ?
Have patience. There's a funding drive for Recapturing going on right now. It will help you (and others) to file 485. If unused visa numbers are captured dates will become current again, and you can apply for AOS. Given that PDs will jump forward by years in every category you have a good chance of getting GC in a short period of time.
Does any body think of people who did not get a chance to file I-485 who had earlier priority date(2002-mar 2005) ?
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gc_peshwa
08-20 01:04 PM
I can give you my example. 10 years in the US and got greened yesterday. Background -
B. Tech. from IIT - 1999. Always believed in hard work and dedication.
2000/2001 - Came to the US
2003 - Filed labor - RIR - EB3
2004 - job loss
2004 - Joined so called fortune 500 company with 15000 + employees and presence in 50 countries. They promised but never filed GC.
2005 - Filed Canada PR.
2005 - Quit and joined Desi company. Started GC process on day-1.
2005- Filed under Perm EB-3 (lawyer screwed). Got approved in 3 months.
2006 - Filed I-140 got approved in 3 weeks.
2007 - July Fiasco and filed I-485. Got AP, EAD. Wife started to work.
2008 - EB-3 sucked so talked to employer to file in EB-2. Desi company did not care as long as I paid for it.
2009 - Filed labor, got approved in 6 months.
2009 - Filed EB2 I-140 and requested to re-capture the PD of first labor.
2009 - I-140 approved, same day saw an LUD on pending I-485. Also, approved I-140 came with A# and EB-3 labor PD.
2009 - Bought a home.
2010 - July, dates became current.
Opened SR, got a response that my case is still in EB3. NSC sucks.
Asked lawyer to send letter to USCIS. He did, nothing happened.
Contacted senator and they opened up a congressional request with USCIS.
Within 2 days, USCIS issued RFE about incomplete medical. It was total BS.
Contacted doctor and got chest X-Ray and replied RFE.
Took several Inforpass appointments.
EAD expired, did everything but could not get renewed on time.
Did not tell anything to HR about expired EAD, both kept mum and kept working.
Had fights at DMV to get DL extended.
Aug-17th, GC got approved.
Is this all worth it? I do not know. Only reason I joined desi company with 2 employees is that desi company was ready to file GC on day-1. I have seen so called Fortune-xx companies. They lied to me.
Overall - I am a happy person. Would continue with Desi employer for some more time.
Now that we have GC, I would like to -
1. Spend more time with family and not worry about LIN-XXXX numbers.
2. Think about doing MBA.
3. Move to a warmer place like CA.
Good Luck. I would suggest - Talk to your employer and explain your situation. You have nothing to lose.
Kumar1
Tremendous story of grit and determination I must say....In fact every one of the EB immigrants story can become a storyline for a great movie :-)
B. Tech. from IIT - 1999. Always believed in hard work and dedication.
2000/2001 - Came to the US
2003 - Filed labor - RIR - EB3
2004 - job loss
2004 - Joined so called fortune 500 company with 15000 + employees and presence in 50 countries. They promised but never filed GC.
2005 - Filed Canada PR.
2005 - Quit and joined Desi company. Started GC process on day-1.
2005- Filed under Perm EB-3 (lawyer screwed). Got approved in 3 months.
2006 - Filed I-140 got approved in 3 weeks.
2007 - July Fiasco and filed I-485. Got AP, EAD. Wife started to work.
2008 - EB-3 sucked so talked to employer to file in EB-2. Desi company did not care as long as I paid for it.
2009 - Filed labor, got approved in 6 months.
2009 - Filed EB2 I-140 and requested to re-capture the PD of first labor.
2009 - I-140 approved, same day saw an LUD on pending I-485. Also, approved I-140 came with A# and EB-3 labor PD.
2009 - Bought a home.
2010 - July, dates became current.
Opened SR, got a response that my case is still in EB3. NSC sucks.
Asked lawyer to send letter to USCIS. He did, nothing happened.
Contacted senator and they opened up a congressional request with USCIS.
Within 2 days, USCIS issued RFE about incomplete medical. It was total BS.
Contacted doctor and got chest X-Ray and replied RFE.
Took several Inforpass appointments.
EAD expired, did everything but could not get renewed on time.
Did not tell anything to HR about expired EAD, both kept mum and kept working.
Had fights at DMV to get DL extended.
Aug-17th, GC got approved.
Is this all worth it? I do not know. Only reason I joined desi company with 2 employees is that desi company was ready to file GC on day-1. I have seen so called Fortune-xx companies. They lied to me.
Overall - I am a happy person. Would continue with Desi employer for some more time.
Now that we have GC, I would like to -
1. Spend more time with family and not worry about LIN-XXXX numbers.
2. Think about doing MBA.
3. Move to a warmer place like CA.
Good Luck. I would suggest - Talk to your employer and explain your situation. You have nothing to lose.
Kumar1
Tremendous story of grit and determination I must say....In fact every one of the EB immigrants story can become a storyline for a great movie :-)
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snhn
09-14 03:40 PM
You have 2 H1s, can you do that. Are you working full time on both H1b visas. Please eloborate on that.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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babli2007
01-03 01:59 PM
Hi everyone, just had an AC-21 question which I was hoping you could help with.
I went to the OneNet link to get the job categories but wanted to get a second opinion.
My current role is computer systems analyst (business analyst) and i might move to a IT project managment role under AC21. There are definitely crossover similarities in both, of course the PM role has more of a leadership aspect to it.
The catagory in Onenet is 11-3021.00 Computer and Information Systems Managers for Project Managers; and 15-1051.00 Computer Systems Analysts for my current role. It shows they are indirectly related throught the Computer Programmer category i.e. 15-1021.00 Computer Programmers.
Is this acceptable for AC21? Please advise.
I went to the OneNet link to get the job categories but wanted to get a second opinion.
My current role is computer systems analyst (business analyst) and i might move to a IT project managment role under AC21. There are definitely crossover similarities in both, of course the PM role has more of a leadership aspect to it.
The catagory in Onenet is 11-3021.00 Computer and Information Systems Managers for Project Managers; and 15-1051.00 Computer Systems Analysts for my current role. It shows they are indirectly related throught the Computer Programmer category i.e. 15-1021.00 Computer Programmers.
Is this acceptable for AC21? Please advise.
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06-26 03:31 PM
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Then I went to Sears, around 60$ for 6 copies each for myself and wife. The prints were excellent, waterproof and not retouched. They printed it out on immigration specified sheets. Only catch was I had to cut out the photos myself, they are not allowd to cut them.
Folks
where are you guys taking these? Fedex kinko's would be fine? any pointers in the NY-NJ area?
Thanks
Then I went to Sears, around 60$ for 6 copies each for myself and wife. The prints were excellent, waterproof and not retouched. They printed it out on immigration specified sheets. Only catch was I had to cut out the photos myself, they are not allowd to cut them.
Folks
where are you guys taking these? Fedex kinko's would be fine? any pointers in the NY-NJ area?
Thanks
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bfadlia
04-14 03:45 PM
I just got back from a lengthy fight with my local and state DMV offices to convince them I'm legal to continue having a drivers license. I'm EB, in the adjustment of status stage since July 2007. DMV asked me recently for proof for status check. I took the pending I-485 receipt and while they told me it is an acceptable proof, they said they have a rule that if the document has no expiration date, they can only give you a driver license with validity 6 months beyond the receipt date of your document (with the wild assumption that any I-485 application is approved or denied within 6 months)
I have nothing against local government and their agencies enforcing immigration, but if you won't give your staff the necessary training to comprehend what legal immigration status is then it will be a disaster
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payur
06-27 08:15 AM
You seem to have got your case approved and you have filed your wife's I485, correct me if I am wrong.
What do you say to people who have been waiting from 2002 and 2003 and 2004, as of today there is no difference for person who got labor approved in May 2007 and case with priority date May 2003. For lot of them it has been a frustrating and stressful period, mainly because their spouses have been idle.
How on earth can you come with this idea, see the traffic on this site now, when core IV team was fighting for the retrogression and other benefits for our cause, there were very few. The world is selfish buddy. I wish you good luck on this idea.
What do you say to people who have been waiting from 2002 and 2003 and 2004, as of today there is no difference for person who got labor approved in May 2007 and case with priority date May 2003. For lot of them it has been a frustrating and stressful period, mainly because their spouses have been idle.
How on earth can you come with this idea, see the traffic on this site now, when core IV team was fighting for the retrogression and other benefits for our cause, there were very few. The world is selfish buddy. I wish you good luck on this idea.
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eager_immi
01-31 01:57 PM
I agree. No filing for 485 hence no Fee for USCIS. Also does this increase in fee mean in increase in effecieny :)
Well, everyone wishes the rumour to be true.
But you know what, to realize the increase in fees for the I-485, they should allow people to file for it. Unless people start filing for I-485's they are not going to make the $2billion in 2 yrs. If retrogression continues, guess the fee increase doesn't make much sense.... Not sure whether I am right or wrong here.
Well, everyone wishes the rumour to be true.
But you know what, to realize the increase in fees for the I-485, they should allow people to file for it. Unless people start filing for I-485's they are not going to make the $2billion in 2 yrs. If retrogression continues, guess the fee increase doesn't make much sense.... Not sure whether I am right or wrong here.
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roseball
07-02 03:45 PM
Roughly around $500 spent.....
Stress undergone to gather all documents and file on July 2nd -- Priceless
Stress undergone to gather all documents and file on July 2nd -- Priceless
tiinap
04-09 01:12 PM
"Even horse-betting has some amount of skill level (of the horse) and knowledge involved when u place a bet...and to think about it....When I used to be in India, I was told why India is not improving is because meritocracy takes a back seat everywhere while in US people are rewarded based on merits. I now realize with the backlog and the H1B that things are worse out here."
You're absolutely right. Ever since last year's H1-b lottery, I look at this country in a new light. I no longer see this U.S. as the world's greatest country, I suspect this is a civilization in decline. If I were to make a bet where this country will be in 50 years, I would bet it would lose it's position as a superpower and the most successful economy.
This H-1b and GC mess to me is an indicator of how things are run in this country. With all these major problems: immigration, healthcare -- there's just an attempt to sweep problems quietly under the rug or apply band-aid fixes such as a lottery.
Thousands of advanced degree holders are being kicked out of the country and a million people are stuck in a GC mess -- no one cares, it's no-one's business. The human being is like a tiny and replacable cog in the system.
Of maybe ~500 highly influential people in Washington DC (congressmen + senators + president + DHS high officials) maybe 3-4 people are expressing outrage at the EB GC and H1B mess. Zoe Lofgren is one, maybe a few others. The rest think the system is just fine.
Barack Obama spoke in the senate last July and said that the employment-based immigration system is working so well, we shouldn't make any changes!
Sorry, seeing this week's H1B brings out the pessimist in me. Maybe there's hope for legal immigrants in the future, but only if we keep fighting.
You're absolutely right. Ever since last year's H1-b lottery, I look at this country in a new light. I no longer see this U.S. as the world's greatest country, I suspect this is a civilization in decline. If I were to make a bet where this country will be in 50 years, I would bet it would lose it's position as a superpower and the most successful economy.
This H-1b and GC mess to me is an indicator of how things are run in this country. With all these major problems: immigration, healthcare -- there's just an attempt to sweep problems quietly under the rug or apply band-aid fixes such as a lottery.
Thousands of advanced degree holders are being kicked out of the country and a million people are stuck in a GC mess -- no one cares, it's no-one's business. The human being is like a tiny and replacable cog in the system.
Of maybe ~500 highly influential people in Washington DC (congressmen + senators + president + DHS high officials) maybe 3-4 people are expressing outrage at the EB GC and H1B mess. Zoe Lofgren is one, maybe a few others. The rest think the system is just fine.
Barack Obama spoke in the senate last July and said that the employment-based immigration system is working so well, we shouldn't make any changes!
Sorry, seeing this week's H1B brings out the pessimist in me. Maybe there's hope for legal immigrants in the future, but only if we keep fighting.
sanju
09-09 09:21 PM
"You salary should be almost the same as the wages mentioned in GC labor certification application or it should not be more than 4% more than what is mentioned in the LC"?
This is what I got from 4 separate lawyers when I was invoking AC-21. I think everybody should speak to a lawyer before invoking AC-21.
A lot of people out there think that after getting EAD one can invoke AC-21 to change to any job at any employer. This is not true. AC-21 is pretty complicated and I think that in the future, if there is no change in the law, a lot of 485 applications will be pending for 6-8 years or more. And for the duration of this period, a lot of people will invoke AC-21. I also think that the rate for rejection for number of AC-21 cases at USCIS will be higher. Nobody told me about the approximate wait time and rejection rate. It is just what I think based upon the developing situation.
This is what I got from 4 separate lawyers when I was invoking AC-21. I think everybody should speak to a lawyer before invoking AC-21.
A lot of people out there think that after getting EAD one can invoke AC-21 to change to any job at any employer. This is not true. AC-21 is pretty complicated and I think that in the future, if there is no change in the law, a lot of 485 applications will be pending for 6-8 years or more. And for the duration of this period, a lot of people will invoke AC-21. I also think that the rate for rejection for number of AC-21 cases at USCIS will be higher. Nobody told me about the approximate wait time and rejection rate. It is just what I think based upon the developing situation.
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