vasa
07-03 03:40 PM
American Dream suspended on the eve of American Independence
For aspiring immigrants ,4th of July is not just a holiday and fireworks but a promise of all good things that are American , which comes to those who follow the law , live by her rules and wait patiently for their turn to be called Americans.
Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for thousands of Legal immigrants who have been living in the US for a number of years . Besides the everyday stress of Job,Mortgage,Health and education of their children they live with the added suspense of when their application for permanent residency ,commonly
referred as "Green card" will move ahead from its deep slumber.
To apply for a employment based "Green Card" , a employed worker's company needs to fulfill the
requirements of the DOS/USCIS and the date the application is received by the department is referred to as the "priority Date". A movement of a month keeps the hopes and spirits high of the applicants and their families and a couple of months is sheer joy. In 2004 there was a negative trend of retrogression of
the applications in queue and the dates moved back instead of moving front. It implied a waiting period of a couple of years at the minimum. So midway of the application process everything stalled, all eyes turned towards the senate and the house hoping they would mediate and provide respite to this broken situation. Nothing happened and so we waited for the much anticipated CIR as it was told to us that a comprehensive immigration reform will address the situation of the legal immigrants also besides its main agenda to solve the issue of illegal immigrants in this country.
The CIR died , then mid June the USCIS came up with a bulletin announcing that it will start accepting applications for adjustment of status for all employment based applicants and their dependents ..From then on it was a scramble to fulfill a long list of requirements to be able to apply on time. The first task was
for my husband to convince his HR to sponsor the process. Since they had already budgeted for the fiscal year and are on a spending freeze , it took a lot of convincing . The HR complied and gratefully we set out to get our Medical exams(at own cost of 150*2).Since we live in a small state with few doctors we
drove 2 hours to a neighboring state to get them on time. Being a mother of 3 small kids, I could not work on important paper works with them around. So after putting them to bed we spent the entire night pulling out the required documents from archives and placing them in order; numerous phone calls to parents
back in India to collect their date of birth, place of birth information and completed the questionnaire. Got passport pictures(60$) and mailed it all to our lawyers praying it will be one of the first to reach the department office on start of business on July 2nd..little did we suspect that this was nothing but adding insult to the injury plan by the honorable DOS.. They had already prepared a rude
shock when they released a bulletin update on July 2nd stating that they will not accept any applications as they had already allocated all the visas for the current fiscal year in a unprecedented action.
This has left thousand of families like us confused, saddened and in the middle of nowhere.
We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes, so its not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries . We still have faith in the constitution and the spirit of this country and preserve faith that this wrongdoing will be reversed and we will get the opportunity to achieve what we have waited for years in a long queue, abiding by the law and fulfilling all requirements to the
tee..
On the eve of America�s independence let justice prevail and urge the congress and the STATE department to undo this monstrous decision of USCIS ..
God bless America.
For aspiring immigrants ,4th of July is not just a holiday and fireworks but a promise of all good things that are American , which comes to those who follow the law , live by her rules and wait patiently for their turn to be called Americans.
Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for thousands of Legal immigrants who have been living in the US for a number of years . Besides the everyday stress of Job,Mortgage,Health and education of their children they live with the added suspense of when their application for permanent residency ,commonly
referred as "Green card" will move ahead from its deep slumber.
To apply for a employment based "Green Card" , a employed worker's company needs to fulfill the
requirements of the DOS/USCIS and the date the application is received by the department is referred to as the "priority Date". A movement of a month keeps the hopes and spirits high of the applicants and their families and a couple of months is sheer joy. In 2004 there was a negative trend of retrogression of
the applications in queue and the dates moved back instead of moving front. It implied a waiting period of a couple of years at the minimum. So midway of the application process everything stalled, all eyes turned towards the senate and the house hoping they would mediate and provide respite to this broken situation. Nothing happened and so we waited for the much anticipated CIR as it was told to us that a comprehensive immigration reform will address the situation of the legal immigrants also besides its main agenda to solve the issue of illegal immigrants in this country.
The CIR died , then mid June the USCIS came up with a bulletin announcing that it will start accepting applications for adjustment of status for all employment based applicants and their dependents ..From then on it was a scramble to fulfill a long list of requirements to be able to apply on time. The first task was
for my husband to convince his HR to sponsor the process. Since they had already budgeted for the fiscal year and are on a spending freeze , it took a lot of convincing . The HR complied and gratefully we set out to get our Medical exams(at own cost of 150*2).Since we live in a small state with few doctors we
drove 2 hours to a neighboring state to get them on time. Being a mother of 3 small kids, I could not work on important paper works with them around. So after putting them to bed we spent the entire night pulling out the required documents from archives and placing them in order; numerous phone calls to parents
back in India to collect their date of birth, place of birth information and completed the questionnaire. Got passport pictures(60$) and mailed it all to our lawyers praying it will be one of the first to reach the department office on start of business on July 2nd..little did we suspect that this was nothing but adding insult to the injury plan by the honorable DOS.. They had already prepared a rude
shock when they released a bulletin update on July 2nd stating that they will not accept any applications as they had already allocated all the visas for the current fiscal year in a unprecedented action.
This has left thousand of families like us confused, saddened and in the middle of nowhere.
We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes, so its not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries . We still have faith in the constitution and the spirit of this country and preserve faith that this wrongdoing will be reversed and we will get the opportunity to achieve what we have waited for years in a long queue, abiding by the law and fulfilling all requirements to the
tee..
On the eve of America�s independence let justice prevail and urge the congress and the STATE department to undo this monstrous decision of USCIS ..
God bless America.
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pappu
02-14 10:09 PM
longg and msp1976, Could you update your profile with contact information. IV can use your skills.
eb2_mumbai
09-15 08:21 AM
Dude, we need to take into account the thousands of EB3 I -> EB2 I conversions :(
Its not as easy as you make it sound. If a person starts today for a new EB2 labor it will take least 1.5 years to get new I 140 approved. This is without any RFE at either stage. Considering today's environment where even simple H1 transfer has become a challenge it takes a really brave person to be playing with fire. Most consulting companies are not enthusiasitc about filing labors and fulltime companies have already said that they are getting too many responses to job advertisement so labor cannot be filed.
Add to that it takes least $7000 to file both labor and 140 in terms of expenses.
Its not as easy as you make it sound. If a person starts today for a new EB2 labor it will take least 1.5 years to get new I 140 approved. This is without any RFE at either stage. Considering today's environment where even simple H1 transfer has become a challenge it takes a really brave person to be playing with fire. Most consulting companies are not enthusiasitc about filing labors and fulltime companies have already said that they are getting too many responses to job advertisement so labor cannot be filed.
Add to that it takes least $7000 to file both labor and 140 in terms of expenses.
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aranya
12-14 03:33 PM
So that interprets to "7% limit for every country" - seems to be "Equality"
Equal yes but also separate and that did not work very well in the past, did it?
Equal yes but also separate and that did not work very well in the past, did it?
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grupak
02-15 07:28 PM
as always.
actually india and china are in teh top 5 receipents of F1 visas, and far ahead of most countries
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVII.pdf
now folks. STOP.
you are making me sick.
Thanks for the data, I had a feeling some countries were using F1 more than others. Good to have the facts straight.
This discussion is really not going anywhere. Lets stick with IV agenda and action items.
actually india and china are in teh top 5 receipents of F1 visas, and far ahead of most countries
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY06AnnualReportTableXVII.pdf
now folks. STOP.
you are making me sick.
Thanks for the data, I had a feeling some countries were using F1 more than others. Good to have the facts straight.
This discussion is really not going anywhere. Lets stick with IV agenda and action items.
Edison99
09-24 11:54 AM
when there were no dates in VISA BULLETIN for EB2 and EB3, how the people filed 485 in the year 2008 and 2009 under EB3 and EB2 as well?
Good Question though!
Good Question though!
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H1BinNY
07-03 07:00 PM
I digged all the comments but looks like someone is trying to bury them again and again...
Probably someone from USCIS
Probably someone from USCIS
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garybanz
12-14 04:33 PM
I know what I am about to say will trigger a lot of reaction and some resentment, but it has to be said on behalf of those who are not Indian. I think the per country limit is to ensure that people of all nationalities and races have an equal opportunity to obtain a green card and to ensure that no one nationality, group, or even sector (i.e. IT) monopolizes the so few visas that are available. In fact, in the visa lottery, countries become excluded when the number of immigrants from them reach a certain point, so we are lucky they do not do that in the Employment-based system!
I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:
It's not a question of majority or minority. It's a question of what is fair and what is not (from each person's point of view). An employee joined in my company, 2 years Jr to me, he is learning most of his work from me, he applied for GC much after me....but guess what he already got it and I am stuck in the limbo! Would you like it if the tables were turned?
I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:
It's not a question of majority or minority. It's a question of what is fair and what is not (from each person's point of view). An employee joined in my company, 2 years Jr to me, he is learning most of his work from me, he applied for GC much after me....but guess what he already got it and I am stuck in the limbo! Would you like it if the tables were turned?
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hiralal
06-11 11:04 PM
your views are correct and analysis looks o.k. too the problem is even the genuine ones get flushed away ..survival of the fittest is not working now at all !!! say a person from worldwide comes in eb3 and say he is just a car mechanic (I know few from south korea who are in this situation) ..they get GC faster than Indian / Chinese EB2 / EB3 applicant (with 10 years experience and good bank balance)
and Karma means ..do your work / duty and don't worry about results ..we need that ..i.e SEVERAL SMALL Campaigns (since big is not possible now due to members leaving IV / getting dejected that nothing is happening etc etc
let us not analyze and discuss too much ..we talk a lot and hence the karma that we get is more talk from so called Experts ..lets do numerous small campaigns ..at the very least people will start coming back to IV plus new memberships
again people are discussing the past and getting stuck in it and my post gets buried ..friends are you listening ??? enough talk !!!!!
and Karma means ..do your work / duty and don't worry about results ..we need that ..i.e SEVERAL SMALL Campaigns (since big is not possible now due to members leaving IV / getting dejected that nothing is happening etc etc
let us not analyze and discuss too much ..we talk a lot and hence the karma that we get is more talk from so called Experts ..lets do numerous small campaigns ..at the very least people will start coming back to IV plus new memberships
again people are discussing the past and getting stuck in it and my post gets buried ..friends are you listening ??? enough talk !!!!!
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somegchuh
10-18 06:42 PM
You have hit the nail right on the head. They issued 225000 H1b's between the years and 2000 and 2002 but the GC quota remained the same. Also, there is no quota for H1 (large # goes to India/Chine) but there is a quota for GC.
The idea is they want to control it so that only a third of the ppl who come on H1 end up getting a GC. They make the GC process hard one way or the other. Either you get stuck in the labor queue or in the retrogression queue. The average time to get has always been 4 years. Some ppl get lucky and get it in less than 3 and some get unluck and spend over 5 years trying to get it!
Ultimately the question for everyone is how long are you willing to put your life on hold? If you wait long enough you will get it. They seldom reject cases (unless it was a fraudulent case).
Having said that lot of us are thinking about leaving because US is making harder and harder for people like us to stay here and lot of us don�t want to put our lives on hold for years and years hoping that may be one day I�ll hit the jackpot called green card. On the other hand, lot of us don�t mind waiting and have been waiting for long time. It�s a matter of preference. Remember you are supposed to be a guest here. Do your work and get the hell out of here. Only 140000 guests are allowed to stay back and rest have to pack their bags. I mean that�s the real intent behind this quota system.
To make long story short, for lot of people US is not the option available on the table so quit comparing US against others. Just think about where you might end up if you didn�t move to Canada and compare that country against Canada.
The idea is they want to control it so that only a third of the ppl who come on H1 end up getting a GC. They make the GC process hard one way or the other. Either you get stuck in the labor queue or in the retrogression queue. The average time to get has always been 4 years. Some ppl get lucky and get it in less than 3 and some get unluck and spend over 5 years trying to get it!
Ultimately the question for everyone is how long are you willing to put your life on hold? If you wait long enough you will get it. They seldom reject cases (unless it was a fraudulent case).
Having said that lot of us are thinking about leaving because US is making harder and harder for people like us to stay here and lot of us don�t want to put our lives on hold for years and years hoping that may be one day I�ll hit the jackpot called green card. On the other hand, lot of us don�t mind waiting and have been waiting for long time. It�s a matter of preference. Remember you are supposed to be a guest here. Do your work and get the hell out of here. Only 140000 guests are allowed to stay back and rest have to pack their bags. I mean that�s the real intent behind this quota system.
To make long story short, for lot of people US is not the option available on the table so quit comparing US against others. Just think about where you might end up if you didn�t move to Canada and compare that country against Canada.
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eb3_nepa
09-23 12:31 PM
How do you propose to actually IMPLEMENT this though? I mean how does one actually get out of the quota by "simply agreeing" to buy a house? How does the USCIS enforce that? Don't get me wrong, I would actually possibly benefit from this, but I am not sure how exactly this will go down? The anti-immigrants will see this move as a "BUY YOUR GREEN CARD" or "THE US CITIZENSHIP UP FOR SALE" move.
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mbawa2574
02-15 04:55 PM
Dingudi,
I didn't generalize. I said preponderence meaning "a lot of" cases with L1/B1/H1 and I am also not denying the fact the India is doing a great job in producing IT skills in great numbers. I am saying how they end up in America in greater numbers than any other country. China, Pakistan, Israel also produces lots of IT gradutes but they don't have the bodyshop connection to land here with an NIIT certificate.
You just sound idiotic
I didn't generalize. I said preponderence meaning "a lot of" cases with L1/B1/H1 and I am also not denying the fact the India is doing a great job in producing IT skills in great numbers. I am saying how they end up in America in greater numbers than any other country. China, Pakistan, Israel also produces lots of IT gradutes but they don't have the bodyshop connection to land here with an NIIT certificate.
You just sound idiotic
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hiralal
06-12 10:33 PM
since we are not having any campaigns to help ourselves ..let us have a campaign to expose the L1 / EB1 visa / GC fraud !!
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anai
06-26 04:22 PM
Read in the middle of the page....
"Though the principal employment-based categories are current for July, future retrogression is possible later this fiscal year, particularly if demand for immigrant visas increases substantially. Visa numbers can retrogress in the middle of a month and become unavailable without prior notice. If there is a mid-month retrogression, USCIS could elect to stop accepting adjustment applications. While this is unlikely to occur in July 2007, it becomes more and more possible as the fiscal year progresse"
Hope this help
http://pubweb.fdbl.com/news1.nsf/9abe5d703b986cff86256e310080943a/8d3d061006d75c47852572ff00687697?OpenDocument
Ok, if the Fragomen page is the source of this rumor: can someone who is a Fragomen client ask their attorney about what's going on here. That might help clarify things a bit. (Given that they are the largest immigration law firm, there's bound to be many IV members for whom Fragomen is preparing documents.)
"Though the principal employment-based categories are current for July, future retrogression is possible later this fiscal year, particularly if demand for immigrant visas increases substantially. Visa numbers can retrogress in the middle of a month and become unavailable without prior notice. If there is a mid-month retrogression, USCIS could elect to stop accepting adjustment applications. While this is unlikely to occur in July 2007, it becomes more and more possible as the fiscal year progresse"
Hope this help
http://pubweb.fdbl.com/news1.nsf/9abe5d703b986cff86256e310080943a/8d3d061006d75c47852572ff00687697?OpenDocument
Ok, if the Fragomen page is the source of this rumor: can someone who is a Fragomen client ask their attorney about what's going on here. That might help clarify things a bit. (Given that they are the largest immigration law firm, there's bound to be many IV members for whom Fragomen is preparing documents.)
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Roger Binny
05-28 11:46 PM
Problem is with out any attorney's support or making a case for them they cannot file it, stupid creativity by legal folks and these sweat shop clowns.
Same thing happened with labor substitution, these clowns sold their labor certifications to just came in tards for a premium, and they got their GC's.
Fr****ekkkkkin loop holes.
Same thing happened with labor substitution, these clowns sold their labor certifications to just came in tards for a premium, and they got their GC's.
Fr****ekkkkkin loop holes.
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alisa
06-28 08:58 PM
There is difference... We didn't spend any money after June VB but everybody spent minimum $500 after July VB...
If they don't accept application then USCIS made govt = 500* 100,00= $ 5000000.
Its not about $500.
USCIS and the US government can ask for more money. And we will happily give it to them.
Its about the stability that filing for AOS offers.
But keep in mind, you weren't able to file for AOS in June.
So maybe, we won't be able to file for AOS in July either. But thats about it. Life will go on.
So it would be best for us to stop torturing our brains.
There is not much we can do about anything. USCIS can choose to reject ALL applications received in July. AILA will issue a freaking statement. We will shed a few tears and call USCIS names.
If they don't accept application then USCIS made govt = 500* 100,00= $ 5000000.
Its not about $500.
USCIS and the US government can ask for more money. And we will happily give it to them.
Its about the stability that filing for AOS offers.
But keep in mind, you weren't able to file for AOS in June.
So maybe, we won't be able to file for AOS in July either. But thats about it. Life will go on.
So it would be best for us to stop torturing our brains.
There is not much we can do about anything. USCIS can choose to reject ALL applications received in July. AILA will issue a freaking statement. We will shed a few tears and call USCIS names.
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amoljak
10-24 10:17 AM
Ok got it thanks Amoljak
So then that is the only way one can SELL you an approved LC?
Yes... other than some rare outright frauds who make counterfeit LCs etc. But they always get caught, because their scams are so stupid...
So then that is the only way one can SELL you an approved LC?
Yes... other than some rare outright frauds who make counterfeit LCs etc. But they always get caught, because their scams are so stupid...
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09-03 09:30 AM
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amoljak
10-23 04:02 PM
Now can the company SELL this Labor certification? Can another company BUY such a Certification? I have heard a lot on this site about LC substituion and how they are sold/bought at a premium. How does all that work. Is that even possible?
eb3_nepa, some people have the special ability to create business opportunities when others see none. E.g. Do you think a job at a primary school can be sold? Think again. You have to buy it in India. Another example... have you been to the Empire state building? For $12 you can wait in line for ~4 hours and enjoy the view after that. But for $40 you can go straight to the top. With labor sub its the same deal. Your company has an approved labor, there are 5 suckers who would otherwise wait 10 years in the GC line. They all do a great job of Java programming that you need your prospective employee to do. How do you decide which one to hire?
For some companies its easy.. they select the one who pays them a premium.
To your other question... no you cannot transfer approved labor to other company... so if you want to be in this business of labor subs, you have to go through the pains of labor before being able to sell one...
Some smart people have figured another great business. They go through the labor pains once and then clone the labor certs (hint: color copier)... those visionaries sometimes end up behind bars...
eb3_nepa, some people have the special ability to create business opportunities when others see none. E.g. Do you think a job at a primary school can be sold? Think again. You have to buy it in India. Another example... have you been to the Empire state building? For $12 you can wait in line for ~4 hours and enjoy the view after that. But for $40 you can go straight to the top. With labor sub its the same deal. Your company has an approved labor, there are 5 suckers who would otherwise wait 10 years in the GC line. They all do a great job of Java programming that you need your prospective employee to do. How do you decide which one to hire?
For some companies its easy.. they select the one who pays them a premium.
To your other question... no you cannot transfer approved labor to other company... so if you want to be in this business of labor subs, you have to go through the pains of labor before being able to sell one...
Some smart people have figured another great business. They go through the labor pains once and then clone the labor certs (hint: color copier)... those visionaries sometimes end up behind bars...
Saralayar
07-03 10:40 AM
My son recently finished his high school and wanted to do Dental degree in India. My current situation is I have applied for adjustment of status in July 2007. Me and my family got the EAD and AP. My priority date is Eb3-November 2005. WIth this mess, I am not sure when I will get my green card.
My question is:
Can I send my son to India for his studies when the adjustment of status is pending. Will it be considered as abondaned if he is out of US when the adjustment of status is in progress?.
Is there any specific forms for this type of situation so that he can go for studies in India and continue the adjustment of status.
My question is:
Can I send my son to India for his studies when the adjustment of status is pending. Will it be considered as abondaned if he is out of US when the adjustment of status is in progress?.
Is there any specific forms for this type of situation so that he can go for studies in India and continue the adjustment of status.
iv_only_hope
07-25 06:42 PM
I dont know what this means. He said previously EB3 backlog is massive. So assuming40 percent of indians would give 160,000. Out of those assuming 50 percent for EB2 would give 80,000. Question: Is eb2:eb3 ration 50% ??
"I think that the numbers are generally accurate, but I disagree with the conclusion. In large part, I rely on what I was told in a conversation with the State Department officer responsible for calculating cutoff dates. He told me that the Indian E2 cutoff date is going to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003 in October. He said that the Indian E2 backlog is MASSIVE.
Looking at the total number of people who have filed AOS applications, or who have been reported as documentarily qualified to consular posts, we see a group of at least 400,000. This was as of a couple of months ago, after much of this year's quota had been used. I'm told that between 40% and 45% of the people in the known backlog are chargeable to India - and most of those are E2".
"I think that the numbers are generally accurate, but I disagree with the conclusion. In large part, I rely on what I was told in a conversation with the State Department officer responsible for calculating cutoff dates. He told me that the Indian E2 cutoff date is going to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003 in October. He said that the Indian E2 backlog is MASSIVE.
Looking at the total number of people who have filed AOS applications, or who have been reported as documentarily qualified to consular posts, we see a group of at least 400,000. This was as of a couple of months ago, after much of this year's quota had been used. I'm told that between 40% and 45% of the people in the known backlog are chargeable to India - and most of those are E2".
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