breddy2000
09-03 10:23 PM
breddy2000,
You see YSR is in high point, as for you corruption, blood politics, mafia by him are no big deal and normal. What should I say? You are better fit to immigrate to Somalia, Afghanistan or Colombia.
Every one does that, is that a reason. You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it’s appropriate.
As posted by abracadabra102 YSR exactly fits for "No better friend, No worse enemy" and in due course he amassed illegal wealth, corruption and killings.
His death is the reason this thread is here, living or dead facts are facts and yes Good Riddance that he is no more.
Yes, will do whatever I can, humbly. In fact it is India’s citizens that are forcing these politicians to implement effective policy not the other way where people are living and enjoying an effective system.
All that I'm saying is why do you need to single out one politician. Can you compare YSR with Mr. Modi(Ghodra Express Issue), Mr Advani(Babri Mazdid Issue)...on how many innocent lives have been lost because of their filthy politics...
And mind you , you and me are working here in US cos of the open policies created by Mr.Late Rajiv Gandhi in the IT Sector. All that I'm saying is someone or something is better than none.
For that matter do you support War on Iraq , War on Afghanistan when it comes to people lives...
First know the facts before you comment and have guts to comment revealing your original ID and not with a hidden one....created just for the sake of it
You see YSR is in high point, as for you corruption, blood politics, mafia by him are no big deal and normal. What should I say? You are better fit to immigrate to Somalia, Afghanistan or Colombia.
Every one does that, is that a reason. You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it’s appropriate.
As posted by abracadabra102 YSR exactly fits for "No better friend, No worse enemy" and in due course he amassed illegal wealth, corruption and killings.
His death is the reason this thread is here, living or dead facts are facts and yes Good Riddance that he is no more.
Yes, will do whatever I can, humbly. In fact it is India’s citizens that are forcing these politicians to implement effective policy not the other way where people are living and enjoying an effective system.
All that I'm saying is why do you need to single out one politician. Can you compare YSR with Mr. Modi(Ghodra Express Issue), Mr Advani(Babri Mazdid Issue)...on how many innocent lives have been lost because of their filthy politics...
And mind you , you and me are working here in US cos of the open policies created by Mr.Late Rajiv Gandhi in the IT Sector. All that I'm saying is someone or something is better than none.
For that matter do you support War on Iraq , War on Afghanistan when it comes to people lives...
First know the facts before you comment and have guts to comment revealing your original ID and not with a hidden one....created just for the sake of it
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Legal
07-25 09:13 PM
Next years numbers are not consequential to EB2I movement to be honest. Any realistic movement will depend on spillover. Consider that EB2I is statutorily limited to about 2800 visas(inclusive of family members) without spillover. Whereas spillover has the potential to contribute tens of thousands of visas.
Very true. My speculation :) is most EB2-I upto mid 2006 will be cleared up and the puny new numbers will trickle to keep the PD around June 2006, or slightly earlier rather than going to 2004 or earlier.
Very true. My speculation :) is most EB2-I upto mid 2006 will be cleared up and the puny new numbers will trickle to keep the PD around June 2006, or slightly earlier rather than going to 2004 or earlier.
sanju
12-17 09:39 AM
Thanks for the update. No need to reveal any more details. At least I know the e-mails that I sent made their way to some one who matters.
Thanks jungalee, for writing on this issue, that makes two of us. I think everything done by over 1000/2000 people together and every subject covered in letters from over 1000/2000 people makes it to the top. Most half educated (which is worst than illiterate) usually give priority to their petty differences and find reasons not to participate, which is why they remain "wise fools".
It will definately help to draw attention to our issues if more people in the community will participate.
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Thanks jungalee, for writing on this issue, that makes two of us. I think everything done by over 1000/2000 people together and every subject covered in letters from over 1000/2000 people makes it to the top. Most half educated (which is worst than illiterate) usually give priority to their petty differences and find reasons not to participate, which is why they remain "wise fools".
It will definately help to draw attention to our issues if more people in the community will participate.
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Ramba
02-19 12:22 AM
Well discussion here. Under present situation (w/o any legislative relief) labor certification based EB folks, particulary Indians, cannot think of GC/485 for next 10 years. The problem here is, they are stopping the flood gate in 485 stage. If they (CIS/DOS) do not need high skilled immigrants, stop them in LC stage itself. Testing labor market in 2001, for a permanent job that is going to be assumed by a foreign worker only in (after 485 approval) 2010 is a joke. The best slution is market based numarical limitation without any country quota.
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poorslumdog
08-18 11:33 PM
sorry, I love preaching.
by the way I was referring to "the guy who thinks americans think he is a slumdog...." not you or everyone. But then again you think that I think that you lead a life lower than average. If you think you agreed with me, instead of calling it obvious being defensive and, just agree with me. OK? And get that chip off your shoulder as well.
I think you think too much...by the way this is how you communicate in your office. American would think twice even come near to you...Good defence...:D
by the way I was referring to "the guy who thinks americans think he is a slumdog...." not you or everyone. But then again you think that I think that you lead a life lower than average. If you think you agreed with me, instead of calling it obvious being defensive and, just agree with me. OK? And get that chip off your shoulder as well.
I think you think too much...by the way this is how you communicate in your office. American would think twice even come near to you...Good defence...:D
yabadaba
06-27 03:19 PM
Three facts, followed by one interpretation.
First: several members (incl self) have checked with their own lawyers and these lawyers tend to agree with the common interpretation of validity for entire month. And at least some of these are lawyers with many years of practice.
Second: Fragomen, the largest immigration law firm, on its website mentions the mid-month possibility; so while there is no government source, the whole topic cannot be dismissed as an unfounded rumor.
Third: Macaca keeps cutting and pasting from the ombudsman's report in many different colors.
My interpretation:
The mid-month concept seems to be a matter of opinion. Multicolor posts notwithstanding, there's nothing official on this matter so far. (I emailed the state department seeking an answer; not surprisingly, I haven't heard back. If anyone else can get something from the horse's mouth, then post it here. If you can get stuff only from the other end of the horse, then maybe there's isn't much pointing in driving a general panic.)
awesome reply! I still have the color question open to macaca. now instead of red blue/bold/non bold he has started using green also. either he is color blind or i am going to end up color blind when i read the news article thread
First: several members (incl self) have checked with their own lawyers and these lawyers tend to agree with the common interpretation of validity for entire month. And at least some of these are lawyers with many years of practice.
Second: Fragomen, the largest immigration law firm, on its website mentions the mid-month possibility; so while there is no government source, the whole topic cannot be dismissed as an unfounded rumor.
Third: Macaca keeps cutting and pasting from the ombudsman's report in many different colors.
My interpretation:
The mid-month concept seems to be a matter of opinion. Multicolor posts notwithstanding, there's nothing official on this matter so far. (I emailed the state department seeking an answer; not surprisingly, I haven't heard back. If anyone else can get something from the horse's mouth, then post it here. If you can get stuff only from the other end of the horse, then maybe there's isn't much pointing in driving a general panic.)
awesome reply! I still have the color question open to macaca. now instead of red blue/bold/non bold he has started using green also. either he is color blind or i am going to end up color blind when i read the news article thread
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walking_dude
02-13 01:38 PM
It has been repeated 'Ad Nauseam' times. IVs agenda includes all of these -
1) Increasing GC numbers
2) Recapturing numbers and instituting permanent Rollover mechanisms
3) Eliminate country quotas.
IV understands that removing just the country quota will impact ROW badly if visa numbers are not increased in tandem. Hence you always see the three points being proposed together. These 3 have to go together. A compromise between ROW and oversubscribed countries.
But some ROW members keep trying to split the movement by opposing removal of country quotas ( which is point 2 in IV agenda) at every possible opportunity. Real way to build a coalition is through compromise. And in a compromise you can't get all you want. Don't expect the majority to heed all your demands.
Be a little appreciative of the sufferings of others. If you think a little extra time you need to spend in the queue is turning you so angry, what goes in the mind of a person who has to spend twice or thrice as much time in the same queue, for no fault of his/hers?
Don't BS on 'diversity'. There is already a 'diversity visa' which Indians & Chinese cannot use. Want to come under diversity? Apply in the lottery. Be a little humane and think about the suffering of others. May be you'll see the light. You are not going to win many friends by alleging "an agenda by some country". It's preposturous, laughable and Dobbsian ( like Lou Dobbs alleged "invasion by Mexicans")
I don't think removing the per country cap will solve the problem. It will balance retrogression by giving each country equal share of misery while the visa number allocation per year stays the same. It also requires changes in the statute which is almost impossible to happen because the legislators, either Dem. or GOP, will not agree to removing the cap. So let's be realistic.
The best solution is to recapture unused visas from previous years and increase the quota per year.
1) Increasing GC numbers
2) Recapturing numbers and instituting permanent Rollover mechanisms
3) Eliminate country quotas.
IV understands that removing just the country quota will impact ROW badly if visa numbers are not increased in tandem. Hence you always see the three points being proposed together. These 3 have to go together. A compromise between ROW and oversubscribed countries.
But some ROW members keep trying to split the movement by opposing removal of country quotas ( which is point 2 in IV agenda) at every possible opportunity. Real way to build a coalition is through compromise. And in a compromise you can't get all you want. Don't expect the majority to heed all your demands.
Be a little appreciative of the sufferings of others. If you think a little extra time you need to spend in the queue is turning you so angry, what goes in the mind of a person who has to spend twice or thrice as much time in the same queue, for no fault of his/hers?
Don't BS on 'diversity'. There is already a 'diversity visa' which Indians & Chinese cannot use. Want to come under diversity? Apply in the lottery. Be a little humane and think about the suffering of others. May be you'll see the light. You are not going to win many friends by alleging "an agenda by some country". It's preposturous, laughable and Dobbsian ( like Lou Dobbs alleged "invasion by Mexicans")
I don't think removing the per country cap will solve the problem. It will balance retrogression by giving each country equal share of misery while the visa number allocation per year stays the same. It also requires changes in the statute which is almost impossible to happen because the legislators, either Dem. or GOP, will not agree to removing the cap. So let's be realistic.
The best solution is to recapture unused visas from previous years and increase the quota per year.
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pcs
07-03 04:12 PM
This email has been sent to all major TV anchors...
Hi ,
This is not a regular mail.. I on behalf of many others need the support of honest media persons like you, else our faith in American media will be gone for good....
pl. read on...
Illegal action by USCIS causes $ 300 million loss in a single day to Legal & Skilled Immigrants ( Doctors, Engineers & Scientists ) not counting the hardships.
Skilled immigrants like Doctors, Engineers & Scientists have been paying all the taxes, following all the laws of the land and have been stuck in huge wait period of 3- 7 years to obtain green card.
On 13th of June 07, USCIS announced that all these people stuck for years can apply for the green card starting 2nd July 07. Everyone spent 2 weeks & $3000 per person at the minimum towards Attorney fees, medical tests & other unsalvageable direct costs prepared the application and started to send it to USCIS starting 2nd July 07.
In an unusual act of absolute disregard to the hardships and financial loss of these applicants, USCIS announced on the morning of 2nd July 07 that they will not accept any application for green card.
A COMPLETE REVERSAL OF THEIR EARLIER PLOICY ON THE VERY 1st DAY OF THE WINDOW ANNOUNCED BY THEMSELVES.
If nobody takes an action to support law abiding legal immigrants at this time, everyone talking about supporting the laws of the land on immigration issue needs to look into his / her own eyes in the mirror.
What we demand �. Talk to USCIS & encourage them to ATLEAST accept the applications sent by these innocent Skilled Immigrants so that they do not suffer at least the financial loss. USCIS can take their own time to award the green card at a later date
ARE WE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH ???????????????????
Hi ,
This is not a regular mail.. I on behalf of many others need the support of honest media persons like you, else our faith in American media will be gone for good....
pl. read on...
Illegal action by USCIS causes $ 300 million loss in a single day to Legal & Skilled Immigrants ( Doctors, Engineers & Scientists ) not counting the hardships.
Skilled immigrants like Doctors, Engineers & Scientists have been paying all the taxes, following all the laws of the land and have been stuck in huge wait period of 3- 7 years to obtain green card.
On 13th of June 07, USCIS announced that all these people stuck for years can apply for the green card starting 2nd July 07. Everyone spent 2 weeks & $3000 per person at the minimum towards Attorney fees, medical tests & other unsalvageable direct costs prepared the application and started to send it to USCIS starting 2nd July 07.
In an unusual act of absolute disregard to the hardships and financial loss of these applicants, USCIS announced on the morning of 2nd July 07 that they will not accept any application for green card.
A COMPLETE REVERSAL OF THEIR EARLIER PLOICY ON THE VERY 1st DAY OF THE WINDOW ANNOUNCED BY THEMSELVES.
If nobody takes an action to support law abiding legal immigrants at this time, everyone talking about supporting the laws of the land on immigration issue needs to look into his / her own eyes in the mirror.
What we demand �. Talk to USCIS & encourage them to ATLEAST accept the applications sent by these innocent Skilled Immigrants so that they do not suffer at least the financial loss. USCIS can take their own time to award the green card at a later date
ARE WE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH ???????????????????
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add78
01-22 05:40 PM
I got the below email from multiple friends. I don't know what is the source, who wrote this analysis because there is no links. I did NOT mean to spread the fear. Just sharing the contents unaltered.
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How this memorandum relates to the recent deportation events from NY and NJ airports?
There seems to be an anticipated link between these 2 events – Memorandum and recent Deportations – kind of an indication about the current level of government scrutiny and seriousness of the H1B program. Hence, there have been advices by others that – each employer and employee should operate by strictly following the H1B program requirements.
Please don't spread rumors or chain emails clearly written by antis or h1b haters who want to instill fear among the consultants working at client site. If you read the memo correctly, at the bottom it clearly states that it should NOT be used by CBP as a means of removal proceedings.
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How this memorandum relates to the recent deportation events from NY and NJ airports?
There seems to be an anticipated link between these 2 events – Memorandum and recent Deportations – kind of an indication about the current level of government scrutiny and seriousness of the H1B program. Hence, there have been advices by others that – each employer and employee should operate by strictly following the H1B program requirements.
Please don't spread rumors or chain emails clearly written by antis or h1b haters who want to instill fear among the consultants working at client site. If you read the memo correctly, at the bottom it clearly states that it should NOT be used by CBP as a means of removal proceedings.
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needhelp!
02-13 11:18 AM
Believe me, in my office or outside, I have talked to every Indian. And not one comes back n discusses with me about IV.
I strongly feel IV is doing a commendable job with some dedicated contributors.
Thank you brij523. You are a great supporter of our cause. I cannot forget how hard you worked at diwali mela in DFW even though you already got your GC. Its inspiration from people like you that keeps us going.
I strongly feel IV is doing a commendable job with some dedicated contributors.
Thank you brij523. You are a great supporter of our cause. I cannot forget how hard you worked at diwali mela in DFW even though you already got your GC. Its inspiration from people like you that keeps us going.
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amsgc
07-26 04:48 PM
From what I remember, Ron Hira had done the math and found that only 0.03% of those H-1B visa applicants get sponsored for the GC by the Indian Offshore companies.
But, we still have a tremendous backlog in 2004, plus labor subs, plus EB3 moving over to EB2. According to , there are still hundreds of people waiting with PD before June 2004.
Also out of the 65K H1 visas that were available since 2003, most of the Visas were consumed by the Big Indian companies.
Remember when Congress sent letters to the Big Indian companies, there was data related to how many companies applied for how many Visas.
AFAIK it was in the range of 25k-35k per year combined by all these companies that filed H1s .
One thing to note is, they do not sponsor GCs for all the applicants.They do them very rarely for the people who are in their 5th to 6th year of H1.Could be in the range of Hundereds and not thousands comapred to the people count they have in US.
But, we still have a tremendous backlog in 2004, plus labor subs, plus EB3 moving over to EB2. According to , there are still hundreds of people waiting with PD before June 2004.
Also out of the 65K H1 visas that were available since 2003, most of the Visas were consumed by the Big Indian companies.
Remember when Congress sent letters to the Big Indian companies, there was data related to how many companies applied for how many Visas.
AFAIK it was in the range of 25k-35k per year combined by all these companies that filed H1s .
One thing to note is, they do not sponsor GCs for all the applicants.They do them very rarely for the people who are in their 5th to 6th year of H1.Could be in the range of Hundereds and not thousands comapred to the people count they have in US.
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immigrant2007
08-20 10:38 PM
I agree
I hope we spend this much time in supporting or PLANNING WHAT WE DO NEXT. I still believe if we all of us make a combine effort we can get our backlog issue resolved
I hope we spend this much time in supporting or PLANNING WHAT WE DO NEXT. I still believe if we all of us make a combine effort we can get our backlog issue resolved
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akred
02-18 12:31 PM
Reason it was retrogressed is probably everyone was getting everyone of their relatives, etc., to come to USA through employment base. The country quota in my mind is designed to prevent such abuses of people making an end run and designing systems to get people from certain countries here.
You are theorizing based on circumstantial evidence, but the history and origin of the country quota does not support your conclusion. The fact that the DOL and UCCIS would not be able to keep abreast of illegal behavior is not something that would have been known at the time the country quota was introduced.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
You are theorizing based on circumstantial evidence, but the history and origin of the country quota does not support your conclusion. The fact that the DOL and UCCIS would not be able to keep abreast of illegal behavior is not something that would have been known at the time the country quota was introduced.
The other issue with your theory is that the abuse you are referring has its roots in the fact that the employer controls the green card process not the country quota. If I really want to abuse the country quota I would change my name and get a fake SSN / green card and wait for the periodic legalization initiatives or even simpler, get a birth certificate from the right country.
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Macaca
01-17 06:32 PM
This kind of attitude will not help to acheive your goal.
Using abusive words will do more harm than any benefit.
This is open source (http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=getComment&productId=45768&reviewId=503132#503132). And this is their ghetto.
Will post more urls here if I get time.
Using abusive words will do more harm than any benefit.
This is open source (http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=getComment&productId=45768&reviewId=503132#503132). And this is their ghetto.
Will post more urls here if I get time.
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John333
07-15 06:40 AM
Dear Attorney,
A million thanks for this website. I have a unique problem and I humbly request your expert advice on my situation.
I am a physical therapist from India who got 221(g) after H1B interview. 221g tells me to take and pass the physical therapy licensing exam before they could issue the visa. I have Visa Screen certificate from CGFNS, educational equivalency report and approval letter to take NPTE exam(licensing exam) from physical therapy state board of Maryland.
The problem is that, licensing exam is offered only in US mainland and to take the exam they should have given me H1B visa. I even submitted to the consular officer, USCIS memo on H-1B Specialty Occupation Licensure Requirements dated March 21, 2008 regarding 1 year temporary approval, still she gave me 221g.
One more interesting thing is that 3 of my friends who had the H1B interview with the same set of documents and without licence, with other consular officers on same day, was stamped visa without a question on licence.
Kindly advice me if there is any way I shall sucessfully appeal on 221(g) and get the H1B visa stamped. Thank you very much in advance and god bless you. With lots of regards,
John
A million thanks for this website. I have a unique problem and I humbly request your expert advice on my situation.
I am a physical therapist from India who got 221(g) after H1B interview. 221g tells me to take and pass the physical therapy licensing exam before they could issue the visa. I have Visa Screen certificate from CGFNS, educational equivalency report and approval letter to take NPTE exam(licensing exam) from physical therapy state board of Maryland.
The problem is that, licensing exam is offered only in US mainland and to take the exam they should have given me H1B visa. I even submitted to the consular officer, USCIS memo on H-1B Specialty Occupation Licensure Requirements dated March 21, 2008 regarding 1 year temporary approval, still she gave me 221g.
One more interesting thing is that 3 of my friends who had the H1B interview with the same set of documents and without licence, with other consular officers on same day, was stamped visa without a question on licence.
Kindly advice me if there is any way I shall sucessfully appeal on 221(g) and get the H1B visa stamped. Thank you very much in advance and god bless you. With lots of regards,
John
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sumagiri
07-23 08:04 PM
Yes i am very much implying that ..EB2 PD was 02 in Dec, 01 in Jan, Unavailable in Feb-March 08. So there where very few visas given to EB2 india in first 8 months. Same with China went back to 03 in Dec and stayed there for most of the 8 months period.
From Dec 08 Visa Bulletin
Sachug22,
It may be simply because EB2 numbers are used up fast for the quarter. It is right now a blind spot and an estimate of what happened depends on perspective.
Any how, you brought up a new perspective so gave you a green.
From Dec 08 Visa Bulletin
Sachug22,
It may be simply because EB2 numbers are used up fast for the quarter. It is right now a blind spot and an estimate of what happened depends on perspective.
Any how, you brought up a new perspective so gave you a green.
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jonty_11
05-09 02:49 PM
Dont worry, just foolow intructions on cic.ga.ca and you will be fine.
If you miss any document, they will send all ur paperwork back. If they accept it they will send a letter with a Tracking/case number.
Its much better and streamlined for people who reside in US. Just apply, lets all go to Canada..I think thats what US of A wants and deserves.
If you miss any document, they will send all ur paperwork back. If they accept it they will send a letter with a Tracking/case number.
Its much better and streamlined for people who reside in US. Just apply, lets all go to Canada..I think thats what US of A wants and deserves.
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srkamath
07-26 11:24 AM
It appears FB spillover is factored into EB quota in Sep bulletin every year.
The FB spillovers are distributed @ 28.6% to EB1,2,3, just like the 140k base.
Therefore if there are any FB spillovers left EB3 must not be "U".
However, EB3 is completely "U"
Therefore FB numbers have already been factored in the DOS calculations. How exactly? I don't know.
Unused 28.6% FB spill from EB1 will of course spill over into EB2 IN/CH.
vdlrao's estimates of ~30k FB numbers spilling over are for all EBs, there will be at most only ~ 20k FB spillovers into EB2, as EB3 has already consumed its portion.
The FB spillovers are distributed @ 28.6% to EB1,2,3, just like the 140k base.
Therefore if there are any FB spillovers left EB3 must not be "U".
However, EB3 is completely "U"
Therefore FB numbers have already been factored in the DOS calculations. How exactly? I don't know.
Unused 28.6% FB spill from EB1 will of course spill over into EB2 IN/CH.
vdlrao's estimates of ~30k FB numbers spilling over are for all EBs, there will be at most only ~ 20k FB spillovers into EB2, as EB3 has already consumed its portion.
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PlainSpeak
01-14 12:58 PM
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing on forums.
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
My friend a correct it is not mine but it is a sad reflection of your story
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
Ahhh my friend no one is asking for core to implement this suggestion. The suggestion was for discussion. Now all we had is name calling but no dicsussion. I hve not had even one esteemed member and donort and volunteer explain to me why this idea is a bad idea
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
My friend for an idea yes discusiion is needed. Now once the idea is agreed upon it has to be fleshed out. That is when people get inv,loved in doing the ground work and i knwo i could go aon and on burt what is the use of talking about a house bluepritn when all guys are willing able and ready to do is tear up the idea in a ferezy
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
Eggs at IV?? My friend if my intention was naything i would have been much worse. But i stil have hope in you all. At some point of time tempers will cool down and people will start thinking rationally
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
Yes i did not work because i choose not to. Evrybody started as a fresher in any xcareer. No body was born experienced. Now you can take this point as my plunge into IV work but noooooo you do not want a person with a different idea. You want a slave who wil lsay Yes Master and do your bidding.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing
on forums.
Who is cursing on forum. If you read through the messages again you people are cursing and i am patiently replying back to each and every one
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
My friend i will not jump into a hole in the ground if i am a sheep and the hole contains 100 wolfs baying for blood(yes that would be all you abusers). Since we are talking about actionable idea let me talk about something
When i started this topic i had about 800 + points. When i last checked i have now - 2000 points. All these given by people like you (All these donors and senior members). Now you are asking me for specific details of my plan and my thinking is they heard the plan and got so pissed off that they started abusing me very badly and gave me so many reds that it must be a IV record and now uyou get a brain wave and i am supposed to tell specifics of my plan. What conditions are you as a IV member creating for me discussing my ideas. NOTHING. So that would mean you have no interest in listening to what i say but are just acting nice so that all thiose silent readers of the post will not notice this and think that you are doing great
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing on forums.
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
don't make up your own sorry, sad, soap opera
My friend a correct it is not mine but it is a sad reflection of your story
Your first mistake is criticizing IV and its strategy on a open forum. The core listens to only ideas from active volunteers and donors and incorporates their suggestions, not a free loader, day dreamer who thinks he/she is brilliant. What any one else says on forums doesn't make any difference.
Ahhh my friend no one is asking for core to implement this suggestion. The suggestion was for discussion. Now all we had is name calling but no dicsussion. I hve not had even one esteemed member and donort and volunteer explain to me why this idea is a bad idea
You think that by arguing on the forum, you can come up with a better idea.
My friend for an idea yes discusiion is needed. Now once the idea is agreed upon it has to be fleshed out. That is when people get inv,loved in doing the ground work and i knwo i could go aon and on burt what is the use of talking about a house bluepritn when all guys are willing able and ready to do is tear up the idea in a ferezy
So in a way you're just throwing eggs at IV. All you talk for the last 2 days is just wasting everyones time.
Eggs at IV?? My friend if my intention was naything i would have been much worse. But i stil have hope in you all. At some point of time tempers will cool down and people will start thinking rationally
If you want IV to listen to you, you must have actively worked with them in the last 4 years, gained knowledge about advocacy and their trust and only then can they consider any of your ideas.
You have clearly shown that you know nothing.
Yes i did not work because i choose not to. Evrybody started as a fresher in any xcareer. No body was born experienced. Now you can take this point as my plunge into IV work but noooooo you do not want a person with a different idea. You want a slave who wil lsay Yes Master and do your bidding.
This is a message for other members too, if you want core and management to listen to your ideas, be active in your state chapter and many mail groups we have working on intiatives, rather than cursing
on forums.
Who is cursing on forum. If you read through the messages again you people are cursing and i am patiently replying back to each and every one
You will then be working on action items that can change the lives of legal immigrants for the better and make a big difference.
My friend i will not jump into a hole in the ground if i am a sheep and the hole contains 100 wolfs baying for blood(yes that would be all you abusers). Since we are talking about actionable idea let me talk about something
When i started this topic i had about 800 + points. When i last checked i have now - 2000 points. All these given by people like you (All these donors and senior members). Now you are asking me for specific details of my plan and my thinking is they heard the plan and got so pissed off that they started abusing me very badly and gave me so many reds that it must be a IV record and now uyou get a brain wave and i am supposed to tell specifics of my plan. What conditions are you as a IV member creating for me discussing my ideas. NOTHING. So that would mean you have no interest in listening to what i say but are just acting nice so that all thiose silent readers of the post will not notice this and think that you are doing great
_TrueFacts
09-04 04:03 PM
If this was about you being having admin previledges,you wud have been taken to trial for misusing this board.....AH...
If all IMV memebers ever come to form a political party, people like you should be avoided. For you it's all love for YSR..where as for others it's not about YSR or CBN. It is about there values and what they stand for against (corruption, blood politics, land grabbing and so forth..)
If all IMV memebers ever come to form a political party, people like you should be avoided. For you it's all love for YSR..where as for others it's not about YSR or CBN. It is about there values and what they stand for against (corruption, blood politics, land grabbing and so forth..)
jonty_11
07-13 01:21 PM
mind u with bigots like tancredo winning their district every election, US is not far beind when it comes to RACISM
Here's an article that appeared in Outlook (India) magazine 8 years ago. Apparently, the situation hasn't changed much since then:
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fname=international1&fodname=19990125&sid=1
Canada...The Grass Isn't Greener
Outlook: Jan 25, 1999
It's a dream gone sour. Thousands of Indian immigrants who land up in Canada are, more often than not, greeted with unemployment, racism, culture shocks...
SOHAILA CHARNALIA
"I didn't come here to be a chowkidar. I came here believing it to be a land of opportunity; a country that has never known the nepotism, the corruption, the shortages of India. I find I have only substituted one country for another... certainly not one set of values for another, as I hoped. " For Dr Gurdial Singh Dhillon, who was made to believe his qualifications would land him a good job fast, Canada was a real disappointment. When he did find work, it was that of a security guard. This, when the United Nations has declared Canada the best country to live in.
Some 200,000 people migrate to Canada every year, a majority from Asia. Hong Kong heads the list, followed by India, China, Taiwan and the Philippines. According to the Citizenship & Immigration Canada report, 21,249 Indians migrated to Canada in 1996 alone. (The high commission in Delhi, however, put the figure at 17,682). For many of them, especially those who are qualified professionals, dreams die fast. The life they face is never quite as rosy as made out by money-raking immigration lawyers.
Is the UN report the only reason for the increase in Indian applications for immigration? That, and the fact that it is easier to get entry into Canada than any other western country, says a Delhi-based immigration lawyer. Also, the fastest way of getting immigration to the US is through Canada.
Dhillon's disappointment is echoed by others. "I should have done my own homework before I applied", rues Aparna Shirodhkar, an architect from Mumbai, working as a saleswoman in a department store. "My husband is unemployed. I am the sole earner for a family of four. Sometimes I feel like running back". For Raheela Wasim, who's gone from being a schoolteacher in India to a telemarketer here, the experience was very discouraging, very disheartening. "I started losing confidence in myself. I felt I was not capable of the job market here".
Jobs are the sore point with Indian immigrants. The irony is, they are often more qualified than their Canadian peers, yet they end up with either no work, or with entry-level jobs that have no future. "I was not told that you require a Canadian degree to get a job here", says Paramjeet Parmar, a postgraduate in biochemistry from Bombay University. Parmar works as a telemarketer, which has turned her from an elite professional to an unskilled, daily wage labourer.
Ditto Opinder Khosla, a mechanical engineer from India, who has ended up as a salesman. "I found it difficult to even get an interview call", he says. The Canadian authorities are non-committal about the social and economic devaluation that the country imposes on immigrants.
"You can't come thinking you can just walk in and get a job in your profession", says Isabel Basset, minister of citizenship, culture and recreation, responsible for handling immigrants' woes in Canada's largest province, Ontario. But she admits that the licensing bodies regulating the professions need to be more accepting of people trained elsewhere.
That effort could only come from the government, argues Demetrius Oriopolis, co-author of Access, a government-commissioned report on assessing qualifications of newcomers, a 10-year-old report whose recommendations have still to be implemented. The report suggests certain rules of equivalence should be made binding on the regulatory bodies, which are exclusionist by nature.
But Basset won't even hear of making the regulatory bodies accountable: "We believe in private enterprise with a minimum of government checks. Besides, she argues, the exercise would cost millions of dollars".
Needless to say, the organisations are gleeful. Only professional bodies have the ability to determine what constitutes competence in a particular profession, was the cold response of the spokesperson for the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, an institution that's responsible for the unemployment as well as under-employment of hundreds of qualified chartered accountants from India. They do not grant licences for professional practice, because Indian qualifications are not acceptable.
"What kind of society are we creating? Is it a new form of slavery?" asks an irate Bhausaheb Ubale, Canada's former human rights commissioner. Qualified immigrants work as drivers, guards. If this isn't job discrimination, what is? Dr Ubale lobbied intensely before Indians were accepted in the media. They now hold jobs as reporters and anchors, he says, but a lot more has to be done.
While skilled men may not be able to find jobs, their less qualified wives find it easier because they accept whatever comes their way. In several cases, the wives earn and support their husbands who are busy upgrading themselves, by studying for a Canadian degree. The working wife sometimes slogs away at three jobs. Sumitra starts at 7 am at her first job, teaching immigrants English; her second job as telemarketer starts at 4 pm. She gets back home around 8 pm, after which she begins selling cosmetics and household goods door to door. Till midnight. Sumitra supports three students, her husband and two school-going children.
The other problems Indians face here are the high taxes, high mortgage payments for new homes and the sort of hidebound laws that the benign anarchy back home hardly prepares them for. "You can't run a red light, you can't escape from a hit-and-run site even if you are just the witness, you can't smoke in public. Too many rules, so different from home", says Harminder Singh.
Two 'Indian' practices that do exist here, however, cause immigrants the maximum trouble. They are sifarish baazi (nepotism) and mufat ka kaam (free work). The Canadians, of course, have given them sophisticated terminologies, the former is referred to as 'networking' and the latter, 'volunteerism'. In a country where you are never encouraged to 'drop in' to meet someone, where the fax, the computer or the phone is used to complete most transactions, a job-seeking immigrant often has the phone put down on him. Polite but firm secretaries block access, unless the caller can drop a magic name that can help him gain entry. It takes at least a year for even the most enterprising immigrant to get to know somebody who can help him, before he can get a job at all.
'Networking' goes hand in hand with 'volunteerism'. Many immigrants put in a year of free service before they are given the job. Most writers and anchors of Asian origin are given only part-time jobs, paid by assignment and with no fringe benefits. The company insists on the word 'freelance' on their business cards, to make it clear they have not been hired by the company, and hence can't demand higher pay or any benefits. They can, and often are, fired at will.
Perhaps the greatest problem in Canada is the one that is least articulated--racism. According to a diversity report on Toronto (said to be the most ethnically diverse city in the world), the year 2000 will see its minority becoming its majority that is, 54 per cent of Toronto's population by the end of the millennium will be non-Whites. Keeping that in mind, it warned, if the discrimination against them in education, employment, income and housing, or incidents of hate are not addressed, it will lead to a growing sense of frustration.
"All our problems exist because of racism", sums up Anita Ferrao, who works in a firm. Anita has worked for them for three years and has got neither promotion nor raise. "As an Indian immigrant, you can never reach the top. They'll see to that. It's better to bring in some money here and start a business. It's the only way you'll do well here and be respected. "
But then if life is so tough here, why do people give up everything back home and come? The answer is the rosy picture of North America, inculcated right from childhood. Everything 'American' is considered superior. Better food, better homes, better life.
Here's an article that appeared in Outlook (India) magazine 8 years ago. Apparently, the situation hasn't changed much since then:
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fname=international1&fodname=19990125&sid=1
Canada...The Grass Isn't Greener
Outlook: Jan 25, 1999
It's a dream gone sour. Thousands of Indian immigrants who land up in Canada are, more often than not, greeted with unemployment, racism, culture shocks...
SOHAILA CHARNALIA
"I didn't come here to be a chowkidar. I came here believing it to be a land of opportunity; a country that has never known the nepotism, the corruption, the shortages of India. I find I have only substituted one country for another... certainly not one set of values for another, as I hoped. " For Dr Gurdial Singh Dhillon, who was made to believe his qualifications would land him a good job fast, Canada was a real disappointment. When he did find work, it was that of a security guard. This, when the United Nations has declared Canada the best country to live in.
Some 200,000 people migrate to Canada every year, a majority from Asia. Hong Kong heads the list, followed by India, China, Taiwan and the Philippines. According to the Citizenship & Immigration Canada report, 21,249 Indians migrated to Canada in 1996 alone. (The high commission in Delhi, however, put the figure at 17,682). For many of them, especially those who are qualified professionals, dreams die fast. The life they face is never quite as rosy as made out by money-raking immigration lawyers.
Is the UN report the only reason for the increase in Indian applications for immigration? That, and the fact that it is easier to get entry into Canada than any other western country, says a Delhi-based immigration lawyer. Also, the fastest way of getting immigration to the US is through Canada.
Dhillon's disappointment is echoed by others. "I should have done my own homework before I applied", rues Aparna Shirodhkar, an architect from Mumbai, working as a saleswoman in a department store. "My husband is unemployed. I am the sole earner for a family of four. Sometimes I feel like running back". For Raheela Wasim, who's gone from being a schoolteacher in India to a telemarketer here, the experience was very discouraging, very disheartening. "I started losing confidence in myself. I felt I was not capable of the job market here".
Jobs are the sore point with Indian immigrants. The irony is, they are often more qualified than their Canadian peers, yet they end up with either no work, or with entry-level jobs that have no future. "I was not told that you require a Canadian degree to get a job here", says Paramjeet Parmar, a postgraduate in biochemistry from Bombay University. Parmar works as a telemarketer, which has turned her from an elite professional to an unskilled, daily wage labourer.
Ditto Opinder Khosla, a mechanical engineer from India, who has ended up as a salesman. "I found it difficult to even get an interview call", he says. The Canadian authorities are non-committal about the social and economic devaluation that the country imposes on immigrants.
"You can't come thinking you can just walk in and get a job in your profession", says Isabel Basset, minister of citizenship, culture and recreation, responsible for handling immigrants' woes in Canada's largest province, Ontario. But she admits that the licensing bodies regulating the professions need to be more accepting of people trained elsewhere.
That effort could only come from the government, argues Demetrius Oriopolis, co-author of Access, a government-commissioned report on assessing qualifications of newcomers, a 10-year-old report whose recommendations have still to be implemented. The report suggests certain rules of equivalence should be made binding on the regulatory bodies, which are exclusionist by nature.
But Basset won't even hear of making the regulatory bodies accountable: "We believe in private enterprise with a minimum of government checks. Besides, she argues, the exercise would cost millions of dollars".
Needless to say, the organisations are gleeful. Only professional bodies have the ability to determine what constitutes competence in a particular profession, was the cold response of the spokesperson for the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, an institution that's responsible for the unemployment as well as under-employment of hundreds of qualified chartered accountants from India. They do not grant licences for professional practice, because Indian qualifications are not acceptable.
"What kind of society are we creating? Is it a new form of slavery?" asks an irate Bhausaheb Ubale, Canada's former human rights commissioner. Qualified immigrants work as drivers, guards. If this isn't job discrimination, what is? Dr Ubale lobbied intensely before Indians were accepted in the media. They now hold jobs as reporters and anchors, he says, but a lot more has to be done.
While skilled men may not be able to find jobs, their less qualified wives find it easier because they accept whatever comes their way. In several cases, the wives earn and support their husbands who are busy upgrading themselves, by studying for a Canadian degree. The working wife sometimes slogs away at three jobs. Sumitra starts at 7 am at her first job, teaching immigrants English; her second job as telemarketer starts at 4 pm. She gets back home around 8 pm, after which she begins selling cosmetics and household goods door to door. Till midnight. Sumitra supports three students, her husband and two school-going children.
The other problems Indians face here are the high taxes, high mortgage payments for new homes and the sort of hidebound laws that the benign anarchy back home hardly prepares them for. "You can't run a red light, you can't escape from a hit-and-run site even if you are just the witness, you can't smoke in public. Too many rules, so different from home", says Harminder Singh.
Two 'Indian' practices that do exist here, however, cause immigrants the maximum trouble. They are sifarish baazi (nepotism) and mufat ka kaam (free work). The Canadians, of course, have given them sophisticated terminologies, the former is referred to as 'networking' and the latter, 'volunteerism'. In a country where you are never encouraged to 'drop in' to meet someone, where the fax, the computer or the phone is used to complete most transactions, a job-seeking immigrant often has the phone put down on him. Polite but firm secretaries block access, unless the caller can drop a magic name that can help him gain entry. It takes at least a year for even the most enterprising immigrant to get to know somebody who can help him, before he can get a job at all.
'Networking' goes hand in hand with 'volunteerism'. Many immigrants put in a year of free service before they are given the job. Most writers and anchors of Asian origin are given only part-time jobs, paid by assignment and with no fringe benefits. The company insists on the word 'freelance' on their business cards, to make it clear they have not been hired by the company, and hence can't demand higher pay or any benefits. They can, and often are, fired at will.
Perhaps the greatest problem in Canada is the one that is least articulated--racism. According to a diversity report on Toronto (said to be the most ethnically diverse city in the world), the year 2000 will see its minority becoming its majority that is, 54 per cent of Toronto's population by the end of the millennium will be non-Whites. Keeping that in mind, it warned, if the discrimination against them in education, employment, income and housing, or incidents of hate are not addressed, it will lead to a growing sense of frustration.
"All our problems exist because of racism", sums up Anita Ferrao, who works in a firm. Anita has worked for them for three years and has got neither promotion nor raise. "As an Indian immigrant, you can never reach the top. They'll see to that. It's better to bring in some money here and start a business. It's the only way you'll do well here and be respected. "
But then if life is so tough here, why do people give up everything back home and come? The answer is the rosy picture of North America, inculcated right from childhood. Everything 'American' is considered superior. Better food, better homes, better life.
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