mallu
02-15 06:26 PM
The reason we have greater supply of workforce in IT from one specific country is not because of skills or talents. Almost every IT workers from ROW and China came to the US as a foreign student after TOEFL, GMAT, GRE, internship and only then landed a job in IT. Whereas the preponderence of IT workers from India came here through L1/B1/H1 sponsorship through bodyshops. Attending school, preparing for generalized tests requires time, money and patience. This is one big factor why the supply curve is skewed.
I think it was reported that students from India is the largest % of students in US universities.
I think it was reported that students from India is the largest % of students in US universities.
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illusions
05-18 11:14 AM
How has panini's profile in THIS THREAD got anything to do with immigration? this is NOT an immigration related thread. If you should police a person's profile in an immigration related thread no one would object, but this is the wrong thread. And isn't the default changeability the US ? Your accusations are pretty strong and doesn't seem to have any backing; what are the rumors that he has been spreading ? anti immigrant ???
If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.
If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.
immigrant2007
08-19 02:44 AM
Wrong guess, what all can i say?
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lordoftherings
07-11 06:24 PM
DO NOT go through any of these agencies. they just put additional delays in your PR processing. I got my Canadian PR in 14 months without any professional help.
On an average, they will charge $3000 and cause an additional delay of 3-6 months in your case
And they are not 'PR Processing' companies. They just forward your application to the CIC.
Can you share with us the steps (or a link maybe) to file on our own.? I have heard of Maple a lot and most of my friends in the west coast are going through them. That's why I referred their name here. Note: I am not paid to market them and they are very expensive :(
thks!!
lotr
On an average, they will charge $3000 and cause an additional delay of 3-6 months in your case
And they are not 'PR Processing' companies. They just forward your application to the CIC.
Can you share with us the steps (or a link maybe) to file on our own.? I have heard of Maple a lot and most of my friends in the west coast are going through them. That's why I referred their name here. Note: I am not paid to market them and they are very expensive :(
thks!!
lotr
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srinivasj
07-21 01:19 PM
its a big problem in Bay area, especially in walmarts, greatmall of america..they come with lame lines to strike a conversation...
unitednations
02-13 12:20 PM
immigration-law.com posted country wise EB visa allocation for the year of 2005. For example, Nepal used only 70 EB3 visas. Whereas country limit is 7%. In that case how EB3 Nepal is retrogressed?
Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
In that case, let's hire an attorney.
This is a valid point of why they don't drill rest of the world down further.
From a global perspective; if they drilled down rest of the world and took all countries and evenly divided the visas then perhaps the per country limit would be less then 1%. 100% divided by number of countries in the world and you would get less then 1%. Then any country who doesn't use up that visa would get re-allocated to other countries. Pretty difficult thing to do; I would imagine.
Can we sue USCIS? Let's discuss.
In that case, let's hire an attorney.
This is a valid point of why they don't drill rest of the world down further.
From a global perspective; if they drilled down rest of the world and took all countries and evenly divided the visas then perhaps the per country limit would be less then 1%. 100% divided by number of countries in the world and you would get less then 1%. Then any country who doesn't use up that visa would get re-allocated to other countries. Pretty difficult thing to do; I would imagine.
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Kodi
05-02 09:38 AM
I'm surprised admins are letting this thread continue.
All those who think that the rest of the word should get involved, where were you when the LTTE bombed colombo in numerous occasions? Used suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians. The rest of the world watched and didn't get involved. You had 30 years to provide a solution to this war. Now is not the time to get involved. Sri lankan gov is finally taking matter into their hands and its high time. LTTE is a terrorist organization that's banned in the US/UK and all over the world. They should not be supported. Its sad that tamils are stuck in this situation, gov is doing eveything possible to get them out of the area but its their own so called leader that's refusing to let the people go.
For those that say tamils are discriminated.... think about this.
About 50% of tamils live in other parts of the country in harmony with sinhalese, muslim and other ethnic groups and can conduct business. Tamil children can get education in any of the schools and universities in any part of the country unlike sinhala/muslim kids. Children get free education in the country. Sinhalese are not allowed to attend universities in the north and east. All the sinhala/muslim people were chased away from the north and east where as tamils can live anywhere in the country without any discrimination. If LTTE is providing tamils a safe heaven why did they move out of the north.
Tamils can join the parliament if they're elected through an election. Lakshman Kadirgamaris tamil and held a prestige position in the parliament as the foreign minister but was killed by the LTTE. Look at Muralitharan, wold class bowler. How did he excel if tamils are discriminated. He came from one of the elite schools situated in an area where majority is sinhala/muslims.
Tamils are not the only ethnic group that was required to carry national ID at all times in colombo. All civilians in colombo, including sinhala and muslims are required to carry IDs with them. I was stopped more than twice at check points and I had to carry my passport with me at all times since I've misplaced my ID.
And the list continues....
I can go on and on but I'll rather not. I didn't want to reply to this thread but finally it got the better of me. Each country should take care of their own matters.
All those who think that the rest of the word should get involved, where were you when the LTTE bombed colombo in numerous occasions? Used suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians. The rest of the world watched and didn't get involved. You had 30 years to provide a solution to this war. Now is not the time to get involved. Sri lankan gov is finally taking matter into their hands and its high time. LTTE is a terrorist organization that's banned in the US/UK and all over the world. They should not be supported. Its sad that tamils are stuck in this situation, gov is doing eveything possible to get them out of the area but its their own so called leader that's refusing to let the people go.
For those that say tamils are discriminated.... think about this.
About 50% of tamils live in other parts of the country in harmony with sinhalese, muslim and other ethnic groups and can conduct business. Tamil children can get education in any of the schools and universities in any part of the country unlike sinhala/muslim kids. Children get free education in the country. Sinhalese are not allowed to attend universities in the north and east. All the sinhala/muslim people were chased away from the north and east where as tamils can live anywhere in the country without any discrimination. If LTTE is providing tamils a safe heaven why did they move out of the north.
Tamils can join the parliament if they're elected through an election. Lakshman Kadirgamaris tamil and held a prestige position in the parliament as the foreign minister but was killed by the LTTE. Look at Muralitharan, wold class bowler. How did he excel if tamils are discriminated. He came from one of the elite schools situated in an area where majority is sinhala/muslims.
Tamils are not the only ethnic group that was required to carry national ID at all times in colombo. All civilians in colombo, including sinhala and muslims are required to carry IDs with them. I was stopped more than twice at check points and I had to carry my passport with me at all times since I've misplaced my ID.
And the list continues....
I can go on and on but I'll rather not. I didn't want to reply to this thread but finally it got the better of me. Each country should take care of their own matters.
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STAmisha
10-04 04:55 PM
STAmisha,
Once u sent ur application, did nt u have to go for an interview and then a Physical. Also, I have heard that to get PR stamped onto ur passport, u actually need to physically enter Canada. Kindly confirm?
I did not have interview. I had my interview waived.
Once all the processing is complete, they will ask you send you the passports. They will give you PR visas which will be valid untill 1 year from your medicals. You have to land before the visa expiry dates.Once you land in Canada, they will take a Canadian address to send the PR card to you. You can give friends address in Canada.
Once u sent ur application, did nt u have to go for an interview and then a Physical. Also, I have heard that to get PR stamped onto ur passport, u actually need to physically enter Canada. Kindly confirm?
I did not have interview. I had my interview waived.
Once all the processing is complete, they will ask you send you the passports. They will give you PR visas which will be valid untill 1 year from your medicals. You have to land before the visa expiry dates.Once you land in Canada, they will take a Canadian address to send the PR card to you. You can give friends address in Canada.
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sachug22
09-15 02:17 PM
Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
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Total 30000
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This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
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Total 30000
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This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
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vinabath
10-24 11:11 AM
I have a different opinion.
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onemoredesi
06-21 07:39 PM
Hey guys,
I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. Its not that easy to get approved using labor substitution. Recently, I came across a pre approved labor but could not use it..just because the skills that are mentioned and what I work in do not match..
Let us say if my pending labor is filed as a Programmer Analyst with experience in Java, J2EE, etc and the pre approved labor is a VB/ASP position then I cannot use it, even if I fake VB/ASP experience. This is because, my pending applicaiton will be pulled when my I140 is applied and the 2 applications do not match.. That itself will raise a red flag.
People who are using labor substitution needs to be extremely lucky to have found a pre-approved labor in their field of work and with a PD which is current..
My strong opinion is that Labor Substitution is not at all the reason for our problems..My Labor still unapproved is 2003 PD and I did my Master's here but my company did not file my application in eb2..I have been looking for a pre approved labor which is before 2003... came across two, but could not use either of them..
Just my 2 cents!
1MoreDesi
I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. Its not that easy to get approved using labor substitution. Recently, I came across a pre approved labor but could not use it..just because the skills that are mentioned and what I work in do not match..
Let us say if my pending labor is filed as a Programmer Analyst with experience in Java, J2EE, etc and the pre approved labor is a VB/ASP position then I cannot use it, even if I fake VB/ASP experience. This is because, my pending applicaiton will be pulled when my I140 is applied and the 2 applications do not match.. That itself will raise a red flag.
People who are using labor substitution needs to be extremely lucky to have found a pre-approved labor in their field of work and with a PD which is current..
My strong opinion is that Labor Substitution is not at all the reason for our problems..My Labor still unapproved is 2003 PD and I did my Master's here but my company did not file my application in eb2..I have been looking for a pre approved labor which is before 2003... came across two, but could not use either of them..
Just my 2 cents!
1MoreDesi
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ilikekilo
07-10 11:32 AM
Wish you the very best byeusa......
I might be moving to Canada next summer if there is no progress in my case here...My PD is Nov 2003 EB-3...I got my Canadian PR in May 2005 and I have until May 2008 to move.....So keeping my fingers crossed..I too work for a Canadian company in US.....Wish you good luck...
how long did it take you get your canadian PR adn when did u apply? please share
I might be moving to Canada next summer if there is no progress in my case here...My PD is Nov 2003 EB-3...I got my Canadian PR in May 2005 and I have until May 2008 to move.....So keeping my fingers crossed..I too work for a Canadian company in US.....Wish you good luck...
how long did it take you get your canadian PR adn when did u apply? please share
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Desertfox
07-24 07:59 PM
This is the most accurate evaluation I have ever found on this forum regarding how USCIS works! :D
For USCIS, 2007 was "let's reduce some backlog in EB3-category" year.
It looks like 2008 is " let's reduce some backlog in EB2-category" year.
On both occassions they hid their plans in right in front of us, and said "gotcha" to every one- AILA, IV prognosticators and Ron Gotchers of this world.
I doubt USCIS will openly Re-revise the horizontal spill over policy. If they do that they may be challenged again forcing them to Re-Re-revise which will make them look even more stupider than they do now.
There are other means by which USCIS can deliver justice- mafia style- but within the current law. They need additional help from DOS,DOL, etc.
examples- (1) Generally sit on EB-2 adjudications, delay them and say there are unused EB2 numbers and allow them to spill over to EB-3
(2) Clamp down even further on PERM - stretch it from 8 months to 36 months for every applicant including EB2-ROW, make even more unused numbers available to clear backlogs.
p.s
I do not harbor any ill-will towards ROW or any other category. I honestly think above things are possible. :)
For USCIS, 2007 was "let's reduce some backlog in EB3-category" year.
It looks like 2008 is " let's reduce some backlog in EB2-category" year.
On both occassions they hid their plans in right in front of us, and said "gotcha" to every one- AILA, IV prognosticators and Ron Gotchers of this world.
I doubt USCIS will openly Re-revise the horizontal spill over policy. If they do that they may be challenged again forcing them to Re-Re-revise which will make them look even more stupider than they do now.
There are other means by which USCIS can deliver justice- mafia style- but within the current law. They need additional help from DOS,DOL, etc.
examples- (1) Generally sit on EB-2 adjudications, delay them and say there are unused EB2 numbers and allow them to spill over to EB-3
(2) Clamp down even further on PERM - stretch it from 8 months to 36 months for every applicant including EB2-ROW, make even more unused numbers available to clear backlogs.
p.s
I do not harbor any ill-will towards ROW or any other category. I honestly think above things are possible. :)
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saileshdude
05-29 01:03 PM
Not just limited to Cognizant and some Big 3s(or 2s now).
Please do not dismiss this as a tunnel vision, its a reality that will develop into a panoramic scam. I know of a guy in India who is sowing seeds of multi-national manager with a Staffing firm(Desi consulting Co) just for this purpose. Worst he has an individual contributor job with some other company that is in collusion with the staffing firm here to prove he works for the company here( I am guessing as a consultant and taxation with a ghost company of US based company in India). I could not get him to spill the beans on how this whole thing is working but he is confident and has sunk a lot of money into it. Strangely, he was disappointed when I told him even with L1A/EB1 it could take 18 to 24 months. Talk about feeling entitled.
Mind you lot of these guys have registered companies in India already to fish for H1 applicants. We close our eyes on this one, it will break the levees and flood the EB immigration. SO never be coy in dismissing this travesty and mother of all scams that is going to follow.
I agree. These so called extraordinary EB1 clowns need to get a taste of waiting and suffering period that many others here. I have no problem with a qualified EB1 candidate getting it but EB1 are for extraordinary ability people who really deserve it.
IT project managers are not the deserving candidate.
Please do not dismiss this as a tunnel vision, its a reality that will develop into a panoramic scam. I know of a guy in India who is sowing seeds of multi-national manager with a Staffing firm(Desi consulting Co) just for this purpose. Worst he has an individual contributor job with some other company that is in collusion with the staffing firm here to prove he works for the company here( I am guessing as a consultant and taxation with a ghost company of US based company in India). I could not get him to spill the beans on how this whole thing is working but he is confident and has sunk a lot of money into it. Strangely, he was disappointed when I told him even with L1A/EB1 it could take 18 to 24 months. Talk about feeling entitled.
Mind you lot of these guys have registered companies in India already to fish for H1 applicants. We close our eyes on this one, it will break the levees and flood the EB immigration. SO never be coy in dismissing this travesty and mother of all scams that is going to follow.
I agree. These so called extraordinary EB1 clowns need to get a taste of waiting and suffering period that many others here. I have no problem with a qualified EB1 candidate getting it but EB1 are for extraordinary ability people who really deserve it.
IT project managers are not the deserving candidate.
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eb3retro
07-30 04:40 PM
Lot of Amway guys are hiding among us.
There are lot of Amway guys on this thread making fun of Amway because they fear being ridiculed. But in their real lives they are actually doing Amway business and catching other desis in Walmarts.
This explains why I got so many reds and bad comments after starting this thread.
here you go..this dude is back ranting again..
There are lot of Amway guys on this thread making fun of Amway because they fear being ridiculed. But in their real lives they are actually doing Amway business and catching other desis in Walmarts.
This explains why I got so many reds and bad comments after starting this thread.
here you go..this dude is back ranting again..
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07-03 10:37 PM
I have drafted a letter:
Dear Reporter/ Senator/ Congressman,
I am an immigrant who entered this country legally. I�ve been waiting for my US permanent resident visa -also known as green card for the past several years along with 500,000 other educated, highly skilled employment based (EB) immigrants. Many of us have been waiting for our turn to get the green card for 5-10 years while consistently abiding by all the laws of this country. Such long delays are due to tortuous and confusing paper work, back logs due to various quotas and processing delays at US Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS).
Several categories of EB immigrant visa numbers have been unavailable (�retrogressed�) since the fall of 2005. Because our immigrant petitions are tied to the sponsoring employer, for many of us these delays have led to indentured servitude. Our professional prospects, job mobility and potential opportunities for entrepreneurship have been shattered.
For the past several decades, the US Department of State (DOS) has been publishing advisories known as visa bulletins once a month to announce the availability of immigrant .visa numbers. On June 13, 2007, after a gap of nearly two years, DOS announced that all EB visa numbers would be �current� for the month of July. This meant, irrespective of our �priority date�, all of us were made eligible to apply for some interim immigration benefits. This �priority date� refers to the date when our labor certification (documentation to verifying no US citizen worker was available for a given job) had been filed.
This announcement by DOS on 6/13/2007 would not have led to immediate green card for most of us; but at least it would have ensured us interim benefits such as job mobility, some freedom from the employer, work authorization for our spouses and a travel authorization known as �advance parole�. This authorization would allow us to travel outside US without fear of not being able to re-enter the country.
We spent thousands of dollars in legal fees, immigration medical exams, vaccinations, blood tests, x-rays and getting various supporting documents ready to file our immigrant petitions to USCIS. It has been an agonizing two weeks for us. Some of us to had to fly in our spouses from our native countries. To our shock and dismay, on the morning of July 2nd 2007, USCIS announced that EB visa numbers were not available and all our petitions would be rejected. Within a span of 2 weeks, to be precise -in 12 working days- USCIS claims to have approved 60,000 EB immigrant visa petitions. This unprecedented rapid action of USCIS has led to exhaustion of all the available visa numbers for this fiscal year. Meanwhile it is prognosticated that in the next fiscal year which begins on October 1, 2007 our plight and delays would actually worsen.
Interestingly USCIS has never processed so many applications this fast, and it is unclear why they did not convey this potential exhaustion of visa numbers to DOS before June 13, 2007.
For the legal skilled immigrants this has been a rather traumatizing and disheartening experience.
We sincerely seek immediate congressional/ legislative remedial measures which would
(1)Reduce the enormous backlogs of green card petitions of legal skilled immigrants
(2)Ensure and enable USCIS not to reject our immigrant visa petitions and give us interim benefits of a pending immigrant visa petition.
We make this sincere request on this Independence Day with the hope that people who played by the rules will be rewarded.
Yours Sincerely,
Dear Reporter/ Senator/ Congressman,
I am an immigrant who entered this country legally. I�ve been waiting for my US permanent resident visa -also known as green card for the past several years along with 500,000 other educated, highly skilled employment based (EB) immigrants. Many of us have been waiting for our turn to get the green card for 5-10 years while consistently abiding by all the laws of this country. Such long delays are due to tortuous and confusing paper work, back logs due to various quotas and processing delays at US Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS).
Several categories of EB immigrant visa numbers have been unavailable (�retrogressed�) since the fall of 2005. Because our immigrant petitions are tied to the sponsoring employer, for many of us these delays have led to indentured servitude. Our professional prospects, job mobility and potential opportunities for entrepreneurship have been shattered.
For the past several decades, the US Department of State (DOS) has been publishing advisories known as visa bulletins once a month to announce the availability of immigrant .visa numbers. On June 13, 2007, after a gap of nearly two years, DOS announced that all EB visa numbers would be �current� for the month of July. This meant, irrespective of our �priority date�, all of us were made eligible to apply for some interim immigration benefits. This �priority date� refers to the date when our labor certification (documentation to verifying no US citizen worker was available for a given job) had been filed.
This announcement by DOS on 6/13/2007 would not have led to immediate green card for most of us; but at least it would have ensured us interim benefits such as job mobility, some freedom from the employer, work authorization for our spouses and a travel authorization known as �advance parole�. This authorization would allow us to travel outside US without fear of not being able to re-enter the country.
We spent thousands of dollars in legal fees, immigration medical exams, vaccinations, blood tests, x-rays and getting various supporting documents ready to file our immigrant petitions to USCIS. It has been an agonizing two weeks for us. Some of us to had to fly in our spouses from our native countries. To our shock and dismay, on the morning of July 2nd 2007, USCIS announced that EB visa numbers were not available and all our petitions would be rejected. Within a span of 2 weeks, to be precise -in 12 working days- USCIS claims to have approved 60,000 EB immigrant visa petitions. This unprecedented rapid action of USCIS has led to exhaustion of all the available visa numbers for this fiscal year. Meanwhile it is prognosticated that in the next fiscal year which begins on October 1, 2007 our plight and delays would actually worsen.
Interestingly USCIS has never processed so many applications this fast, and it is unclear why they did not convey this potential exhaustion of visa numbers to DOS before June 13, 2007.
For the legal skilled immigrants this has been a rather traumatizing and disheartening experience.
We sincerely seek immediate congressional/ legislative remedial measures which would
(1)Reduce the enormous backlogs of green card petitions of legal skilled immigrants
(2)Ensure and enable USCIS not to reject our immigrant visa petitions and give us interim benefits of a pending immigrant visa petition.
We make this sincere request on this Independence Day with the hope that people who played by the rules will be rewarded.
Yours Sincerely,
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vikki76
05-13 07:17 PM
RE: Jaime,
Well, I am not sure of your reason..but whatever, if you are serious, then join any major tech company in US, and ask them to relocate to India.Cisco,Intel,Sun Microsystems, Accenture,Citibank etc. are always on look out for expatriate.
If you won't join tech company,and explore for direct employment then max pay you might get is Rs 15 Lakh per annum. or 15,000,00.
If you are an airline pilot,you will be welcome by open arms.Aviation sector is facing huge shortage.
Well, I am not sure of your reason..but whatever, if you are serious, then join any major tech company in US, and ask them to relocate to India.Cisco,Intel,Sun Microsystems, Accenture,Citibank etc. are always on look out for expatriate.
If you won't join tech company,and explore for direct employment then max pay you might get is Rs 15 Lakh per annum. or 15,000,00.
If you are an airline pilot,you will be welcome by open arms.Aviation sector is facing huge shortage.
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sidbee
06-02 03:59 PM
Its possible we will not win such a lawsuit....I am not a lawyer, and often things which seem discriminatory to the common man, cannot be proved so in the court of law.
Yet, such a lawsuit could get some publicity and at least highlight the baltantly unfair laws against certain groups people based on country of birth in the EB category.
It very well depends on the lawyer .
If he could prove country quota as unconstitutional, which i feel it is.
But yes IV should talk to a good constitutional lawyer(not immigration), and find the odds,
And as you said, even if we do not win , we would for sure get some media coverage.
Yet, such a lawsuit could get some publicity and at least highlight the baltantly unfair laws against certain groups people based on country of birth in the EB category.
It very well depends on the lawyer .
If he could prove country quota as unconstitutional, which i feel it is.
But yes IV should talk to a good constitutional lawyer(not immigration), and find the odds,
And as you said, even if we do not win , we would for sure get some media coverage.
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jetflyer
06-02 10:51 AM
ss benefits when we retire is such a long way away ..who knows what the situation will be that time
You are so right that ss may not be there when we need, so we should raise voice today and fight for ourselves. We pay 40-45% of our hard earned money in tax, SS, medicare, insurance, etc. and then pay another 30% in housing... what left for us ? 25%??? is that what we work for ? even if you have your own paidoff house govt. want house tax 1-3% of current value of your house every year... what the heck. all this when we even don't get fair share of job market?
we must raise voice for NO SS, Medicare for H1b/EAD exactly same way as they say in job positing NO H1b/EAD - ONLY US Citizen/Green Card nee to apply, then yes ONLY US Citizen/Green Card holder need to pay SS + Medicare.
You are so right that ss may not be there when we need, so we should raise voice today and fight for ourselves. We pay 40-45% of our hard earned money in tax, SS, medicare, insurance, etc. and then pay another 30% in housing... what left for us ? 25%??? is that what we work for ? even if you have your own paidoff house govt. want house tax 1-3% of current value of your house every year... what the heck. all this when we even don't get fair share of job market?
we must raise voice for NO SS, Medicare for H1b/EAD exactly same way as they say in job positing NO H1b/EAD - ONLY US Citizen/Green Card nee to apply, then yes ONLY US Citizen/Green Card holder need to pay SS + Medicare.
NKR
02-15 06:34 PM
probably true but because most of them are on H4 which means someone else in their family is H1.
what will they do at home anyway?. wouldn't it be better if they be allowed to work than force them to go and study?
what will they do at home anyway?. wouldn't it be better if they be allowed to work than force them to go and study?
satyasaich
12-13 02:10 PM
Well, interesting topic and here are my 2 cents.
i just googled for a minute, for the definition of "Equal Employment Opportunity" by Federal Government and the result is as below
Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) :A term used by the federal government to refer to employment practices that ensure nondiscrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, color, national origin, physical or mental ability, medical condition, ancestry, or age.
The principle behind EEO is that everyone should have the same access to opportunities
AND Ethnic References are American Indians, Asians (Pakistani/East Indian: Persons having origins in any of the original
peoples of the Indian sub-continent), Black, Hispanic, Caucasian
The above definition itself speaks very loudly about access to opportunities, which if restricted due to another federal law or provision, then it is clearly a conflict within Constitution.
Consider a person with some skill set and born in Bangladesh or Pakistan working for Employer A
&
another person with exact skill set born in India working for same employer in the same capacity.
Assume that both have started the GC Process on the same day, but person from India is still waiting even after 5 or 7 years.
Where as the other person got the GC and no restrictions to accept a promotion and an increase in salary,based on the same skill set and experience.
Isn't that scenario defers the principle behind EEO which is everyone should have the same access to opportunities
and hence voilation of law?
There are thousands of glaring examples like these, and i'm wondering how this can not be considered as a good ground for challenging
(I do undersand the cost aspects of challenging and legal fees etc; and the hefty amount of funds needed)
by the way, i tried to find a federal government rationale for per country limit in current system (only from the EB Category perspective), but couldn't get a good answer
Satya
India / EB3/Nov2003/
--Any country's immigration policy has to have some control measures built into it. I cannot imagine any country opening its gates wide open for the entire world to migrate into her without any limitations. So the question is, whom to "restrict" and whom to allow? This leads to the same argument, do you see this "restriction" as discrimination? There are others who see as fair "reservation" for them.
there is no "reservation", the nature of the clause is a cap, it does not give another country a minimum quota, it is written as a restrictive provision. and again- just because it benefits someone else does not make discrimination "right", in the strictest sense. right and wrong when it comes to discrimination are not relative. and if you believe they are, it's mighty slippery slope my friend because it does not take time to find yourself on the other side.
--Good question. If we look at what qualifies a country to be included in the lottery program (oversubscription etc?), it would again lead to the "balancing" intent with regards to immigration.
so why the double dipping? if the balancing is done, why the country quota? the result is that as i said more bangladeshis come in than indians...so what does over subscription mean in the end? again...why the need for the diversity lottery? the country quota already balances things....or not?
"either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong."
--You are opining that it is wrong. You cannot state that it is a fact
you sound suspiciously supportive of the caste system. i will say it again. such a system is wrong. i do not care which side of the fence you are on. was depriving blacks from voting wrong? or was it ok from the white side of the fence? please think before you post.
there is a difference between "something benefiting me so i justify it and fight to keep it" and being right or fair. everyone fights to keep what they have. sorry, still not right. and if you still feel the caste system can be justified as right from your (or any) side of the fence then let's stop here, we have no common ground. and i speak as someone with sufficiently "high caste" to have not suffered from it (so you know my side of the fence).
one last thing, i find it hard to believe you are terming as "right" the idea that I as an individual should be held back 10 years longer than my colleague because of where i was born. any way i look at it...sorry...just not right.
i just googled for a minute, for the definition of "Equal Employment Opportunity" by Federal Government and the result is as below
Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) :A term used by the federal government to refer to employment practices that ensure nondiscrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, color, national origin, physical or mental ability, medical condition, ancestry, or age.
The principle behind EEO is that everyone should have the same access to opportunities
AND Ethnic References are American Indians, Asians (Pakistani/East Indian: Persons having origins in any of the original
peoples of the Indian sub-continent), Black, Hispanic, Caucasian
The above definition itself speaks very loudly about access to opportunities, which if restricted due to another federal law or provision, then it is clearly a conflict within Constitution.
Consider a person with some skill set and born in Bangladesh or Pakistan working for Employer A
&
another person with exact skill set born in India working for same employer in the same capacity.
Assume that both have started the GC Process on the same day, but person from India is still waiting even after 5 or 7 years.
Where as the other person got the GC and no restrictions to accept a promotion and an increase in salary,based on the same skill set and experience.
Isn't that scenario defers the principle behind EEO which is everyone should have the same access to opportunities
and hence voilation of law?
There are thousands of glaring examples like these, and i'm wondering how this can not be considered as a good ground for challenging
(I do undersand the cost aspects of challenging and legal fees etc; and the hefty amount of funds needed)
by the way, i tried to find a federal government rationale for per country limit in current system (only from the EB Category perspective), but couldn't get a good answer
Satya
India / EB3/Nov2003/
--Any country's immigration policy has to have some control measures built into it. I cannot imagine any country opening its gates wide open for the entire world to migrate into her without any limitations. So the question is, whom to "restrict" and whom to allow? This leads to the same argument, do you see this "restriction" as discrimination? There are others who see as fair "reservation" for them.
there is no "reservation", the nature of the clause is a cap, it does not give another country a minimum quota, it is written as a restrictive provision. and again- just because it benefits someone else does not make discrimination "right", in the strictest sense. right and wrong when it comes to discrimination are not relative. and if you believe they are, it's mighty slippery slope my friend because it does not take time to find yourself on the other side.
--Good question. If we look at what qualifies a country to be included in the lottery program (oversubscription etc?), it would again lead to the "balancing" intent with regards to immigration.
so why the double dipping? if the balancing is done, why the country quota? the result is that as i said more bangladeshis come in than indians...so what does over subscription mean in the end? again...why the need for the diversity lottery? the country quota already balances things....or not?
"either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong."
--You are opining that it is wrong. You cannot state that it is a fact
you sound suspiciously supportive of the caste system. i will say it again. such a system is wrong. i do not care which side of the fence you are on. was depriving blacks from voting wrong? or was it ok from the white side of the fence? please think before you post.
there is a difference between "something benefiting me so i justify it and fight to keep it" and being right or fair. everyone fights to keep what they have. sorry, still not right. and if you still feel the caste system can be justified as right from your (or any) side of the fence then let's stop here, we have no common ground. and i speak as someone with sufficiently "high caste" to have not suffered from it (so you know my side of the fence).
one last thing, i find it hard to believe you are terming as "right" the idea that I as an individual should be held back 10 years longer than my colleague because of where i was born. any way i look at it...sorry...just not right.
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