weasley
08-16 06:31 PM
SK2006 and snathan:
I do not agree.
First, there is no "profiling" in India. Everyone gets frisked and security at airports in India is top class.
Rules are rules, provided they apply equally to americans and Indians. otherwise its profiling or discrimination.
In 2000 December, I was travelling to Sydney from Mumbai Airport. I was held and later interviewed separately by a Tamil Speaking officer. Just because my name resembled like Srilankan Tamil. They wanted to ensure that I am not LTTE/or refugee travelling to Australia. Well, I was not offended. I just thought if these idiots have been careful before then would have avoided assasination of Rajiv Gandhi.
I do not agree.
First, there is no "profiling" in India. Everyone gets frisked and security at airports in India is top class.
Rules are rules, provided they apply equally to americans and Indians. otherwise its profiling or discrimination.
In 2000 December, I was travelling to Sydney from Mumbai Airport. I was held and later interviewed separately by a Tamil Speaking officer. Just because my name resembled like Srilankan Tamil. They wanted to ensure that I am not LTTE/or refugee travelling to Australia. Well, I was not offended. I just thought if these idiots have been careful before then would have avoided assasination of Rajiv Gandhi.
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illusions
05-01 06:45 PM
As a fellow Sri Lankan and a member here at IV, i'd request u guys stop posting opinions and views here on a Immigration Forum.
I'd like to request that the Admin to please close this thread as it is irrelevant to Immigration. If any of you would like to discuss politics then please do so in another forum that is meant purely for that purpose.
Some have written some harsh remarks about SL, without even knowing the facts, i for one take some of them personally.
I'm not here to say that i agree / disapprove anything that any of you have said, i'm just saying that there is a place to discuss these issues and i'm sure the Admins here also agree that this is not the place for politics.
Appreciate you consideration.
I'd like to request that the Admin to please close this thread as it is irrelevant to Immigration. If any of you would like to discuss politics then please do so in another forum that is meant purely for that purpose.
Some have written some harsh remarks about SL, without even knowing the facts, i for one take some of them personally.
I'm not here to say that i agree / disapprove anything that any of you have said, i'm just saying that there is a place to discuss these issues and i'm sure the Admins here also agree that this is not the place for politics.
Appreciate you consideration.
rkg000
09-05 08:42 PM
Yo breddy2000, nobody is calling you names man, but you are getting personal. Is YSR your father ?????.
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Rb_newsletter
01-18 08:49 PM
Still Desi companies are not following Labor laws.
I know a company in OHIO still exploiting H1Bs......but payroll being generated....
Hmmmmmm......USCIS this is not enough.
If you know a company report it to USCIS directly or post the details here, we will report them to USCIS. By posting this kind of annonymous, baseless complaints in forums, you are making genuine H1s look like bad.
Everywhere there are bad elements. History showed that there were corrupt senators/congress man. So do we have to penalize every senator and congressman? Should we shut the doors of the legislative assemblies and stop the elections?
People choose to work for consulting company, because no law said it is illegal. People choose to work in consulting, because we can meet different people and learn different verticals. And in IT, consulting is the main business model. Even if the application is developed in-house, the department that uses the software is called internal customer. If we can work for internal customer legally, whats wrong in working for external customer.
No business can evolve without customers. If IT consulting has grown up to this level, that means businesses welcomed consulting.
I know a company in OHIO still exploiting H1Bs......but payroll being generated....
Hmmmmmm......USCIS this is not enough.
If you know a company report it to USCIS directly or post the details here, we will report them to USCIS. By posting this kind of annonymous, baseless complaints in forums, you are making genuine H1s look like bad.
Everywhere there are bad elements. History showed that there were corrupt senators/congress man. So do we have to penalize every senator and congressman? Should we shut the doors of the legislative assemblies and stop the elections?
People choose to work for consulting company, because no law said it is illegal. People choose to work in consulting, because we can meet different people and learn different verticals. And in IT, consulting is the main business model. Even if the application is developed in-house, the department that uses the software is called internal customer. If we can work for internal customer legally, whats wrong in working for external customer.
No business can evolve without customers. If IT consulting has grown up to this level, that means businesses welcomed consulting.
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aka
12-13 11:50 AM
Discrimination in employment based on nationality is not allowed. However, can we extend the argument to the employment based immigration? We can always choose to take that promotion though we will lose our place in the queue.
Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.
This is a very interesting angle... even though on the surface it looks like we have a choice in taking that promotion and losing our place in queue, it is not really a choice. Do this a couple of times and your six years on H1-B expire, you basically have to leave your job and go back to your country. So taking a promotion is eventually a dead end. I think by extension, we can legally argue that this per-country based quota system is really (inadvertently) leading to discrimination in our employment based on nationality (which is unconstitutional).
Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.
This is a very interesting angle... even though on the surface it looks like we have a choice in taking that promotion and losing our place in queue, it is not really a choice. Do this a couple of times and your six years on H1-B expire, you basically have to leave your job and go back to your country. So taking a promotion is eventually a dead end. I think by extension, we can legally argue that this per-country based quota system is really (inadvertently) leading to discrimination in our employment based on nationality (which is unconstitutional).
unseenguy
04-01 02:08 AM
Well said. It is similar to Bill Clinton takes credit for revolution in IT area. It is all time. Gujarat prospered becuse of successful bussiness minded people. Growth was aided by high demand for export. I agree with you that though a guy has a great leadership skills, commanding speech, great administartive and management skills, if he commited/aided the crime, he has no right to hold the office. See the Alska Senator..He was one of the most successful politician and elected many times from alska for Senate. Now he is in jail at his very old age, just becuse he got money from oil comapines to renovate his house.
There are lot of ifs and buts in life & world like .....
I should get development job not testing.
Bush should not have become president
Mugabe should leave his post
Pakistan should fix terrorism.
China should have better human rights record
Burma should release aung san su ki
UK should return the gold it stole from India
Australia should stop sledging in cricket and play like gentleman
Similarly, I got the job because economy was good not that I did something.
Obama became president because Bush screwed it up and he didnt have the talent.
Pakistan is violent because Afganistan is out of control and they are unfortunate recipients of terror not creators.
China has human rights problem because Tibetans are problem childs, not that China has done anything wrong.
Similarly your wish is Criminals should not fight elections. Let me tell you that without favorable government policies the businesses can't succeed. The very business minded Gujratis have democratically elected Modi even after his visa refusal by US and Sonia madam touting him as a merchant of death etc. Right now Gujrat is no. 1 state in India in economic development index. So give the guy some credit where its due. All your thoughts are very well intended and ideally that is how things should be but one has to go by reality and one step at a time. Although the hands of law are very long and justice will be served some day or in some way.
There are lot of ifs and buts in life & world like .....
I should get development job not testing.
Bush should not have become president
Mugabe should leave his post
Pakistan should fix terrorism.
China should have better human rights record
Burma should release aung san su ki
UK should return the gold it stole from India
Australia should stop sledging in cricket and play like gentleman
Similarly, I got the job because economy was good not that I did something.
Obama became president because Bush screwed it up and he didnt have the talent.
Pakistan is violent because Afganistan is out of control and they are unfortunate recipients of terror not creators.
China has human rights problem because Tibetans are problem childs, not that China has done anything wrong.
Similarly your wish is Criminals should not fight elections. Let me tell you that without favorable government policies the businesses can't succeed. The very business minded Gujratis have democratically elected Modi even after his visa refusal by US and Sonia madam touting him as a merchant of death etc. Right now Gujrat is no. 1 state in India in economic development index. So give the guy some credit where its due. All your thoughts are very well intended and ideally that is how things should be but one has to go by reality and one step at a time. Although the hands of law are very long and justice will be served some day or in some way.
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u.misc
01-19 11:34 AM
Dude, I don't know where you come from but you have a very thorough and deep knowledge of how to run the prostitution business. However, I am sorry to say that you know nothing about consulting business.
You call desi consulting companies whatever bad names you want, but the truth is that consulting companies are the one who:
1. Files for GC, the way you ask with no questions asked. (nothing illegal about it)
2. Helps you maintain legal status while you are on the bench ... If you are working for non-desi company and your services are not required, you get a pink slip.
3. Pay you per you skills. Contrary to general conceptions, desi consulting companies pay you appropriately (at least most of them) per the billing rate they get from client. Remember it involves cost to run you payroll like payroll taxes and salary of employees, so you can't keep 100% of billing rate.
Desi consulting companies are not always a blood sucker and desi consultants are not idiots. Infact they are may be more skilled than a IT profession working in big-shot American IT company and doing the same job for last 5 years. Consulting provides you a new job and new set of challenges and technologies to work with every now and then.
Consultants are the work force driving American IT needs.
In fact consider the consulting business like prostitution and the h1b consulting companies as no more then pimp.No matter whether my sister or I work for the same.Let me explain the business processes of two for you.
1.Client is most important in both the cases.No matter how client mistreated you , the pimp will take you to different client but will never snub the client.
2.You work at client site on odd hour.
3.It's pimp's job to keep pros under control and scare them of consequences for deserting them. H1b is one such tool and another is too restrictive contract ( 18 months etc ).
4.If your tech skill got outdated they will dump you ( regardless of contract ) . Old pros becomes "Mausi" and old consultant opens Consulting co and starts h1b hiring.
5.If you have to have latest skill and for every new engagement client will select from many resume like in pros business. Pros do make etc to be in market.
6. Pimp will not like the contract to hire clause but h1b/pros will like to have that.
7. when some one enforces law to ban the business organize protest march of pros . have you seen any protest march by pimps ? Same here , protest march by h1b consultant not by consulting co.
Try to observe the prostitution business and your profession and there is not much differences except we have illusion and they don't.
You call desi consulting companies whatever bad names you want, but the truth is that consulting companies are the one who:
1. Files for GC, the way you ask with no questions asked. (nothing illegal about it)
2. Helps you maintain legal status while you are on the bench ... If you are working for non-desi company and your services are not required, you get a pink slip.
3. Pay you per you skills. Contrary to general conceptions, desi consulting companies pay you appropriately (at least most of them) per the billing rate they get from client. Remember it involves cost to run you payroll like payroll taxes and salary of employees, so you can't keep 100% of billing rate.
Desi consulting companies are not always a blood sucker and desi consultants are not idiots. Infact they are may be more skilled than a IT profession working in big-shot American IT company and doing the same job for last 5 years. Consulting provides you a new job and new set of challenges and technologies to work with every now and then.
Consultants are the work force driving American IT needs.
In fact consider the consulting business like prostitution and the h1b consulting companies as no more then pimp.No matter whether my sister or I work for the same.Let me explain the business processes of two for you.
1.Client is most important in both the cases.No matter how client mistreated you , the pimp will take you to different client but will never snub the client.
2.You work at client site on odd hour.
3.It's pimp's job to keep pros under control and scare them of consequences for deserting them. H1b is one such tool and another is too restrictive contract ( 18 months etc ).
4.If your tech skill got outdated they will dump you ( regardless of contract ) . Old pros becomes "Mausi" and old consultant opens Consulting co and starts h1b hiring.
5.If you have to have latest skill and for every new engagement client will select from many resume like in pros business. Pros do make etc to be in market.
6. Pimp will not like the contract to hire clause but h1b/pros will like to have that.
7. when some one enforces law to ban the business organize protest march of pros . have you seen any protest march by pimps ? Same here , protest march by h1b consultant not by consulting co.
Try to observe the prostitution business and your profession and there is not much differences except we have illusion and they don't.
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Direct_Action_99
01-15 08:52 PM
It is really pathetic to see the current plight of H1B. It is really sad and the situation is getting worse with the passing of each day. The max limit of H1B is only 65000. It is highly regulated and accountable. Why is everyone hounding H1B without rhyme or reason? It is because most of them perhaps do not have a good picture of what is happening around.
Do the people who are after the H1B folks realize the following?
1. About 100,000 or may be many times that number (I do not know) of L1 workers are brought to work to the USA? Do they realize that there is NO quota limit for L1?
2. How the L1A visa is misused in the guise of the so called "International transfer" to file for GC under EB1 category?
3 That many of the Indian / foreign firms no longer prefer to sendi their employees on H1 as they can send plane loads of L1 without any hitch?
3. Every minute several 1000s of jobs are outsourced ?
The root cause is because the immigration system is broken and the policies are not OK. Going behind H1 B Visa holders is not the answer
Do the people who are after the H1B folks realize the following?
1. About 100,000 or may be many times that number (I do not know) of L1 workers are brought to work to the USA? Do they realize that there is NO quota limit for L1?
2. How the L1A visa is misused in the guise of the so called "International transfer" to file for GC under EB1 category?
3 That many of the Indian / foreign firms no longer prefer to sendi their employees on H1 as they can send plane loads of L1 without any hitch?
3. Every minute several 1000s of jobs are outsourced ?
The root cause is because the immigration system is broken and the policies are not OK. Going behind H1 B Visa holders is not the answer
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mailmy_gc
07-29 05:39 PM
Guys,
I live in a place, Where we can find very few Indians. Out of 1500 units of apartments we are the only Indian family used to live in.
One fine day (of course relaized that was worst day) My kid is playing at the play ground and I saw one Indian couple was walking towards the ground. I was so excited (offcourse later exploited) that atleat my will get some company. He spoke to me nice and I introduced my wife. I gave my phone number ...
After 3 -4 days I got a call !!!! He said, one of his friend (big shot) is retiring this evening, if you guys can join, The Saga continued ..
We all went then I relaized that it is Quix !! I couldn't get rid of them for 3,4 months (Offcourse I am new to US that time). But atlast we told them we can not do ... Even after that he used to call us for atleast do this ... you don't need to do any thing we all take care of it.etc.
While I am reading this thread, I am laughing myself alot and I read almost all the replies. Offcourse I don't think some of our friends are writing that some quix guys may read this threading and upset about it.
Common even my wife and myself had fight about these guys and I was so upset for days and every time we meet I was so embarasssed to say "No".
if you get chance read this book for How to say No in a polished way -" Power Phrases by Meril Reunion"
I live in a place, Where we can find very few Indians. Out of 1500 units of apartments we are the only Indian family used to live in.
One fine day (of course relaized that was worst day) My kid is playing at the play ground and I saw one Indian couple was walking towards the ground. I was so excited (offcourse later exploited) that atleat my will get some company. He spoke to me nice and I introduced my wife. I gave my phone number ...
After 3 -4 days I got a call !!!! He said, one of his friend (big shot) is retiring this evening, if you guys can join, The Saga continued ..
We all went then I relaized that it is Quix !! I couldn't get rid of them for 3,4 months (Offcourse I am new to US that time). But atlast we told them we can not do ... Even after that he used to call us for atleast do this ... you don't need to do any thing we all take care of it.etc.
While I am reading this thread, I am laughing myself alot and I read almost all the replies. Offcourse I don't think some of our friends are writing that some quix guys may read this threading and upset about it.
Common even my wife and myself had fight about these guys and I was so upset for days and every time we meet I was so embarasssed to say "No".
if you get chance read this book for How to say No in a polished way -" Power Phrases by Meril Reunion"
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ujjwal_p
07-25 07:25 PM
vdlrao you have been really amazing on doing the analysis on VB prediction. Kudos to you dude..i will hope you will be proved right in feature. keep your figures crossed till Sep 08 Bulletin which will shed some light on your predictions..
I think pretty soon we'll have a vdlrao temple. ;)
Anyways, based on Ron's numbers we are looking at around 80k outstanding EB2 for India (although he says most of it is EB2 and not EB3, I am thinking 50%), significantly more than the 30k you were talking about vdlrao.
I think pretty soon we'll have a vdlrao temple. ;)
Anyways, based on Ron's numbers we are looking at around 80k outstanding EB2 for India (although he says most of it is EB2 and not EB3, I am thinking 50%), significantly more than the 30k you were talking about vdlrao.
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samay
08-25 02:55 PM
Dear Immigration Attorney,
Can I out of US with old AP and returned with new (renewed) AP?
You don't need to show the AP at the time you leave the country.
Can I out of US with old AP and returned with new (renewed) AP?
You don't need to show the AP at the time you leave the country.
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villamonte6100
02-15 12:05 PM
I myself wanted to have my greencard NOW!!!
Unfortunately, I have to wait until there is a visa available.
Whether there is a shortcoming on their law here, as aliens, we should also respect the law just like their citizens.
Congress is the only one who could make changes to their existing laws and if they can't do it, bad luck to us.
Their hands are tied.
USCIS cannot do anything because they are just following the law.
Class action is a very big thing and I've read alot of responses here as if filing for a class action is like going to walmart and complain about a defective item you just bought.
I'm not a lawyer but I'm working for a law firm which gives me some idea how the legal system works.
CLASS ACTION AGAINST USCIS? My god, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Unfortunately, I have to wait until there is a visa available.
Whether there is a shortcoming on their law here, as aliens, we should also respect the law just like their citizens.
Congress is the only one who could make changes to their existing laws and if they can't do it, bad luck to us.
Their hands are tied.
USCIS cannot do anything because they are just following the law.
Class action is a very big thing and I've read alot of responses here as if filing for a class action is like going to walmart and complain about a defective item you just bought.
I'm not a lawyer but I'm working for a law firm which gives me some idea how the legal system works.
CLASS ACTION AGAINST USCIS? My god, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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mantric
02-15 05:53 AM
Completely agree with Googler.
While I have sent the letter and convinced a few friends to do so let's be realistic. It is too easy for this letter campaign to be swept under the carpet of the next crisis to occupy the attention of the government. The letters may just get thrown in the garbage - whether 2000 or 20000. Nobody is answerable. Based on past history for such campaigns the chances for success are pretty low. Also this friendly govenment does not have much time left.
This is ultimately a fairness issue. There are issues of discrimination based on country of origin. Careers are stopped midtracks for nationals of particular countries. For ages. This situation is completely unnatural. If someone gets a promotion he has to go back to the beginning of the queue. Growth potential and economic contribution is retarded during career prime. And if it was'nt bad enough already, visa numbers have been wasted in huge numbers to make things worse.
Going to the courts appears to be the only way to make people confront this fairness issue, that these delays and uncertainty are affecting real lives and careers. It will reinforce any letter campaign.
People who think the current laws are fair should be reminded that it is only the consequence of the laws that matters not the intent.
Also everyone please browse through the previous I-485 lawsuit site -
http://www.immigration.com/litigation/I-485_litigation.html
If has a lot of useful information.
Note the background for that lawsuit was that a letter campaign had failed to bring results.
Just wanted to chime in to say that filing a lawsuit will only aid any campaign for admin fixes. The NC changes were done administratively but anyone who tells me that the scathing rulings from the federal courts had nothing to do with current changes is living in denial -- the recent rulings essentially shredded the legal basis for the form of these NC checks and attendant delays.
There is absolutely no reason not to pursue both options. It would be totally delicious to have USCIS testify in court and explain exactly how they f&$@-ed up badly enough to pervert congressional intent and waste approx 120K EB greencards in 2003-2004.
Write your letters (what does it take 10 min of your day), you have nothing to lose and something to gain by that. I did. But don't forget suing is the American way of justice.
While I have sent the letter and convinced a few friends to do so let's be realistic. It is too easy for this letter campaign to be swept under the carpet of the next crisis to occupy the attention of the government. The letters may just get thrown in the garbage - whether 2000 or 20000. Nobody is answerable. Based on past history for such campaigns the chances for success are pretty low. Also this friendly govenment does not have much time left.
This is ultimately a fairness issue. There are issues of discrimination based on country of origin. Careers are stopped midtracks for nationals of particular countries. For ages. This situation is completely unnatural. If someone gets a promotion he has to go back to the beginning of the queue. Growth potential and economic contribution is retarded during career prime. And if it was'nt bad enough already, visa numbers have been wasted in huge numbers to make things worse.
Going to the courts appears to be the only way to make people confront this fairness issue, that these delays and uncertainty are affecting real lives and careers. It will reinforce any letter campaign.
People who think the current laws are fair should be reminded that it is only the consequence of the laws that matters not the intent.
Also everyone please browse through the previous I-485 lawsuit site -
http://www.immigration.com/litigation/I-485_litigation.html
If has a lot of useful information.
Note the background for that lawsuit was that a letter campaign had failed to bring results.
Just wanted to chime in to say that filing a lawsuit will only aid any campaign for admin fixes. The NC changes were done administratively but anyone who tells me that the scathing rulings from the federal courts had nothing to do with current changes is living in denial -- the recent rulings essentially shredded the legal basis for the form of these NC checks and attendant delays.
There is absolutely no reason not to pursue both options. It would be totally delicious to have USCIS testify in court and explain exactly how they f&$@-ed up badly enough to pervert congressional intent and waste approx 120K EB greencards in 2003-2004.
Write your letters (what does it take 10 min of your day), you have nothing to lose and something to gain by that. I did. But don't forget suing is the American way of justice.
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lordoftherings
07-11 06:16 PM
Guys.. can one of you please suggest a good Canadian PR processing company? I keep getting mails from cr@protechimmigration.com. Is Protech good?
Would really appreciate a reply.
Maple International is very good if you are in the west
Would really appreciate a reply.
Maple International is very good if you are in the west
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485Mbe4001
05-29 06:07 PM
I have been saying this for the past one year, let us forget everything else, let us not come up with new rules or ideas or suggestions (new quotas, fraud detection, sue USCIS fund, exteneded APs etc). Focus all our energies on the one issue that will help everyone from all affected countries....Recapture of Unused Visas.
Recapture campaign will not divide us in EB 1 Vs 2 Vs 3 or countries. Over the past year a number of people have quit because of the bickering.
Recapture has a precedent because it was approved by Clinton earlier.
Recapture is free of country caps and it does not affect the existing visas. Murthy's article mentions that 120k are stuck in limbo and we know that there are around 400k visas available...i dont know what more motivation people need to fight for this issues.
On our own each one of us can do the following:
a) Try to arrange a meeting with your congressman and senators
b) write a letter to all members of the Judicary committee
after that do whatever IV tells you to do
can somebody summarise it and make a action plan
Recapture campaign will not divide us in EB 1 Vs 2 Vs 3 or countries. Over the past year a number of people have quit because of the bickering.
Recapture has a precedent because it was approved by Clinton earlier.
Recapture is free of country caps and it does not affect the existing visas. Murthy's article mentions that 120k are stuck in limbo and we know that there are around 400k visas available...i dont know what more motivation people need to fight for this issues.
On our own each one of us can do the following:
a) Try to arrange a meeting with your congressman and senators
b) write a letter to all members of the Judicary committee
after that do whatever IV tells you to do
can somebody summarise it and make a action plan
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factoryman
02-12 08:55 PM
From Zhang (http://www.hooyou.com/news/news011307bulletin.html):
We suspect that the large number of approved cases in BEC have a big impact on the progress of Visa Bulletins. Department of Labor announced on December 11 that the BEC then had 142,418 cases pending, while in September, the pending case number was 176,000. In the past three months, about 33,600 cases have been removed, with a pace of 11,000/month. Then, the number of I-140 & I-485 petitions soared up in the past several months. This fact stalls visa bulletins in department of state. We predict that it is hard to see a big progress in visa bulletin, given the hope that BEC will keep its current pace of processing cases. However, we don�t expect to see a big retrogression of visa bulletin in the next a few months either. Things may change in the second half of 2007.
We suspect that the large number of approved cases in BEC have a big impact on the progress of Visa Bulletins. Department of Labor announced on December 11 that the BEC then had 142,418 cases pending, while in September, the pending case number was 176,000. In the past three months, about 33,600 cases have been removed, with a pace of 11,000/month. Then, the number of I-140 & I-485 petitions soared up in the past several months. This fact stalls visa bulletins in department of state. We predict that it is hard to see a big progress in visa bulletin, given the hope that BEC will keep its current pace of processing cases. However, we don�t expect to see a big retrogression of visa bulletin in the next a few months either. Things may change in the second half of 2007.
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immi_seeker
09-15 12:45 PM
Seems like the spill-overs happen at the end of the year which helps dates for India to advance.
Has the process changed to where the spill-over is calculated and issued every quarter? If not, this could be a possible administrative change that can be proposed by IV.
For FY2010 there are very less GC applications filed by ROW & EB1 due to bad economy. If USCIS waits till last quarter then they wont have much visa usage during previous quarters. So it makes sense for USCIS to allocate spill over numbers on a per quarter basis. We never know how it works
Has the process changed to where the spill-over is calculated and issued every quarter? If not, this could be a possible administrative change that can be proposed by IV.
For FY2010 there are very less GC applications filed by ROW & EB1 due to bad economy. If USCIS waits till last quarter then they wont have much visa usage during previous quarters. So it makes sense for USCIS to allocate spill over numbers on a per quarter basis. We never know how it works
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syzygy
07-12 04:57 PM
And also add the amount we are paying on regular basis to law firms to talking to their para legals, mental stress and percentage what contracting companies with hold along with amount we are losing because we are not in stable situation to invest in things like real estate.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
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logiclife
12-14 04:58 PM
I know what I am about to say will trigger a lot of reaction and some resentment, but it has to be said on behalf of those who are not Indian. I think the per country limit is to ensure that people of all nationalities and races have an equal opportunity to obtain a green card and to ensure that no one nationality, group, or even sector (i.e. IT) monopolizes the so few visas that are available. In fact, in the visa lottery, countries become excluded when the number of immigrants from them reach a certain point, so we are lucky they do not do that in the Employment-based system!
I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:
Well, I agree with your argument when it comes to diversity lottery visas. Or Family based visas. Because those green cards are not given based on any merit, education or employability of an individual. They are just given away to anyone whose relatives sponsor (family based) or whose country doesnt send enough immigrants here in USA and add those country's citizens adds diversity.
However, in employment based immigration, 140,000 green cards are given each year because those 140,000 individuals have been sponsored by their employers for a job for which no US citizen is willing qualified and able to do and the employer finds it worth it to go thru hassles of dealing with immigration in order to retain this employee. The employers dont care whether the employee is Indian, Chinese, Brit or South African. The government too, is not giving this green card because someone is Indian or chinese. The employer wants individual to fill a position, the government agrees to it - up to 140,000 a year - and that's where it ends. Therefore, in such benefit, where the ONE AND ONLY REASON for green card is EMPLOYMENT, why should employee A born in India wait for 10 years but employee B born in South Afria wait for 2 years even though the reason for both employee A and employee B for getting the greencard is the same - EMPLOYMENT.
Are you saying , based on your theory that there should be 7% per country limits in hiring too - that all these corporations, when they hire non-citizens, should keep one country's immigrant workers capped at 7% ? Should Microsoft, Cisco and Oracle fill all jobs and sponsor all greencard at rate of 7 % per country? Are you also going to complain that there are too many Indians in Microsoft and large software corporations and Indians have "monopolized" that profession? Or that Vietnamese and chinese have monopolized the nail-salon and dry-cleaning business? Do you even know what a monopoly is?
By the way, if the congressional intent was the keep diversity intact even in employment based immigration, then how come there is no per-country ceiling on H1 and L1? On H1 there is no per-country ceiling. So its ok to be disproportionate when you bring people into the country from outside (using H1/L1), but when the same bunch of people apply for green cards, there are different queues for different countries and your wait time depends on where you were born? What kind of nonsense is that?
All due respect, your argument is baseless and stems from the fact that you love the idea that you are personally benefitting by being in ROW.
There are plenty of ROW members who have supported the idea of removal of per-country ceilings, who have walked with me to congressional offices asking for parity and who have marched in DC.
I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:
Well, I agree with your argument when it comes to diversity lottery visas. Or Family based visas. Because those green cards are not given based on any merit, education or employability of an individual. They are just given away to anyone whose relatives sponsor (family based) or whose country doesnt send enough immigrants here in USA and add those country's citizens adds diversity.
However, in employment based immigration, 140,000 green cards are given each year because those 140,000 individuals have been sponsored by their employers for a job for which no US citizen is willing qualified and able to do and the employer finds it worth it to go thru hassles of dealing with immigration in order to retain this employee. The employers dont care whether the employee is Indian, Chinese, Brit or South African. The government too, is not giving this green card because someone is Indian or chinese. The employer wants individual to fill a position, the government agrees to it - up to 140,000 a year - and that's where it ends. Therefore, in such benefit, where the ONE AND ONLY REASON for green card is EMPLOYMENT, why should employee A born in India wait for 10 years but employee B born in South Afria wait for 2 years even though the reason for both employee A and employee B for getting the greencard is the same - EMPLOYMENT.
Are you saying , based on your theory that there should be 7% per country limits in hiring too - that all these corporations, when they hire non-citizens, should keep one country's immigrant workers capped at 7% ? Should Microsoft, Cisco and Oracle fill all jobs and sponsor all greencard at rate of 7 % per country? Are you also going to complain that there are too many Indians in Microsoft and large software corporations and Indians have "monopolized" that profession? Or that Vietnamese and chinese have monopolized the nail-salon and dry-cleaning business? Do you even know what a monopoly is?
By the way, if the congressional intent was the keep diversity intact even in employment based immigration, then how come there is no per-country ceiling on H1 and L1? On H1 there is no per-country ceiling. So its ok to be disproportionate when you bring people into the country from outside (using H1/L1), but when the same bunch of people apply for green cards, there are different queues for different countries and your wait time depends on where you were born? What kind of nonsense is that?
All due respect, your argument is baseless and stems from the fact that you love the idea that you are personally benefitting by being in ROW.
There are plenty of ROW members who have supported the idea of removal of per-country ceilings, who have walked with me to congressional offices asking for parity and who have marched in DC.
Aah_GC
08-16 12:04 AM
Can we let him go then...? is there any guarantee they will not recruit more and massacre more? If its Israel already mosat would have taken the preparators. If its US, Pak would have been reduced to rubble.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
US knows that Pakistan is the mother of Terrorism, doesn't look like with all the aid flowing in, that it is being reduced to rubble. Terrorism is a deeper debate, and it borders on uneven economics, social structures, global imbalance to name a few. We have quite a few terrorists in India too, just look up Sikh riots of 1984 and Gujrat riots of 2002, the culprits walk scott free. You talk about Israel, how safe is Israel? Would you settle in Israel given a chance? The same is with the US, in the pretext of 9/11 the residual racism is now emerging in these situations.
Whether we like it or not, Kasab will be hung to death. He is definitely a criminal, and it shines on our judicial system and independent media (both are screwed in their own ways) that we can tell that a terrorist hasn't been reduced to a weakling to not demand the food of his choice.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
US knows that Pakistan is the mother of Terrorism, doesn't look like with all the aid flowing in, that it is being reduced to rubble. Terrorism is a deeper debate, and it borders on uneven economics, social structures, global imbalance to name a few. We have quite a few terrorists in India too, just look up Sikh riots of 1984 and Gujrat riots of 2002, the culprits walk scott free. You talk about Israel, how safe is Israel? Would you settle in Israel given a chance? The same is with the US, in the pretext of 9/11 the residual racism is now emerging in these situations.
Whether we like it or not, Kasab will be hung to death. He is definitely a criminal, and it shines on our judicial system and independent media (both are screwed in their own ways) that we can tell that a terrorist hasn't been reduced to a weakling to not demand the food of his choice.
_TrueFacts
09-04 01:31 PM
Breddy2000 and dealsnet,
I hope you guys don�t owe anything to YSR!.
If you love YSR, that�s your business. As much as you love, facts are facts and YSR being CM for 5 years is the biggest loss to AP and people of AP.
Also, it�s a curse that India and Indians are paying to have had congress rule India for 60 years.
I hope you guys don�t owe anything to YSR!.
If you love YSR, that�s your business. As much as you love, facts are facts and YSR being CM for 5 years is the biggest loss to AP and people of AP.
Also, it�s a curse that India and Indians are paying to have had congress rule India for 60 years.
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