Jimi_Hendrix
10-04 09:37 AM
I have seen at least three thread in the past that discussed labor sub bashing. So you guys made your point, it is an evil practice and it screws those standing behind. We already know that this practice might be ended soon. So why are we discussing this issue for the fourth time all over again? :rolleyes:
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fide_champ
08-17 01:50 PM
I agree with all of you that this is not worth talking. Instead channelize your efforts in supporting organization to contact lawmakers and make advocacy efforts.
How is the other one better than this topic?
How is the other one better than this topic?
tikka
07-04 12:18 PM
http://digg.com/politics/U_S_Withdraws_Offer_of_60_000_Job_Based_Visas_Ange ring_Immigration_Lawyer/who
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal
http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal
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andymajumder
06-02 03:42 PM
country quota is not racial discrimination...u must be a fool to say that.
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
Why is it absurd to change the country quota? What is the use of the country quota..is it necessary for diversity? The primary basis by which a person qualifies for employment based GC is through his academic qualifications and work experience....how is deciding how many GCs you would give based on country of birth relevant in this case. What is the basis of such a rule unless you want to limit the no. of people coming from countries which produce large no. of qualified, educated people. How is this fair considering that India and China produce at least 10 times more college graduates than most other countries in the world other than the USA.
If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.
I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
Why is it absurd to change the country quota? What is the use of the country quota..is it necessary for diversity? The primary basis by which a person qualifies for employment based GC is through his academic qualifications and work experience....how is deciding how many GCs you would give based on country of birth relevant in this case. What is the basis of such a rule unless you want to limit the no. of people coming from countries which produce large no. of qualified, educated people. How is this fair considering that India and China produce at least 10 times more college graduates than most other countries in the world other than the USA.
If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.
I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.
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onemoredesi
06-21 07:39 PM
Hey guys,
I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. Its not that easy to get approved using labor substitution. Recently, I came across a pre approved labor but could not use it..just because the skills that are mentioned and what I work in do not match..
Let us say if my pending labor is filed as a Programmer Analyst with experience in Java, J2EE, etc and the pre approved labor is a VB/ASP position then I cannot use it, even if I fake VB/ASP experience. This is because, my pending applicaiton will be pulled when my I140 is applied and the 2 applications do not match.. That itself will raise a red flag.
People who are using labor substitution needs to be extremely lucky to have found a pre-approved labor in their field of work and with a PD which is current..
My strong opinion is that Labor Substitution is not at all the reason for our problems..My Labor still unapproved is 2003 PD and I did my Master's here but my company did not file my application in eb2..I have been looking for a pre approved labor which is before 2003... came across two, but could not use either of them..
Just my 2 cents!
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I think this issue is being blown out of proportion. Its not that easy to get approved using labor substitution. Recently, I came across a pre approved labor but could not use it..just because the skills that are mentioned and what I work in do not match..
Let us say if my pending labor is filed as a Programmer Analyst with experience in Java, J2EE, etc and the pre approved labor is a VB/ASP position then I cannot use it, even if I fake VB/ASP experience. This is because, my pending applicaiton will be pulled when my I140 is applied and the 2 applications do not match.. That itself will raise a red flag.
People who are using labor substitution needs to be extremely lucky to have found a pre-approved labor in their field of work and with a PD which is current..
My strong opinion is that Labor Substitution is not at all the reason for our problems..My Labor still unapproved is 2003 PD and I did my Master's here but my company did not file my application in eb2..I have been looking for a pre approved labor which is before 2003... came across two, but could not use either of them..
Just my 2 cents!
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fairman
08-17 01:21 PM
Most of the Bollywood movies are junk ( vulgar dances etc.) . As more and more people mature in the north, the market for stars like SRK will dwindle. I request everybody to follow classic Bengali/Mallu movies.
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Imigrait
06-12 12:00 PM
:D Gangubhai motor chali pom pom pom.
Translation:Ganguteli is in top form :)
Agree with Gangubhai totally. I know Americans who have bachelors degrees in physics or graphics arts or even literature from no name colleges who are much better than graduates in IITs both Btech and Mtechs. In fact I even know a high school graduate who was working as a contractor who was really really good. I'm talking about a Fortune 15 company here. As far as Indians are concerned I have seen some young chaps from Wipro,Infosys from no name Indian colleges and they are very good in their work. The college name only helps for your first jobs or to get your resume ahead of others in a pile of resumes that's all.
As someone said to Mr Dilip, he wants to shut the door after him. Not good sir.
Translation:Ganguteli is in top form :)
Agree with Gangubhai totally. I know Americans who have bachelors degrees in physics or graphics arts or even literature from no name colleges who are much better than graduates in IITs both Btech and Mtechs. In fact I even know a high school graduate who was working as a contractor who was really really good. I'm talking about a Fortune 15 company here. As far as Indians are concerned I have seen some young chaps from Wipro,Infosys from no name Indian colleges and they are very good in their work. The college name only helps for your first jobs or to get your resume ahead of others in a pile of resumes that's all.
As someone said to Mr Dilip, he wants to shut the door after him. Not good sir.
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longq
02-13 06:17 PM
As a business person; I don't agree with country limits. I understand why they are there but I don't think they should be.
Continuous recapture of unused visas is a good goal. It makes sense and isn't a controversial topic.
Regarding: Goals - very few people look out for the greater good of everyone. I myself think if I was looking out for the greater good of everyone; I wouldn't focus on EB relief but rather other areas of immigration (greencard holder spouse issue; dream act, undocumented, etc.). Don't jump on me for saying this but I had written in another posting that of all the people who are disadvantaged with immigration; it would appear that eb candidates are the least disadvantaged of all.
In my view, EB are more disadvantaged in current situation. For a young person with PD 2006 (EB3-India) having approved 140, cannot imagine to file a 485 before he retires. Is it practically possible for him/her to maintain employer-employee relationship till him/her able to file 485? Is it make any sense, condition of LC/140 will hold well after 20 years, when a visa number available to him/her?
In family based system, even after 20 years brother-sister or parent-child relationship will be maintained. No need for them to worry about 130 withdrawal of sponsor. In most family based immigration, chain migrants are coming to USA not for family-reunification; they are coming for work/job. There is no labor certification for them.
Continuous recapture of unused visas is a good goal. It makes sense and isn't a controversial topic.
Regarding: Goals - very few people look out for the greater good of everyone. I myself think if I was looking out for the greater good of everyone; I wouldn't focus on EB relief but rather other areas of immigration (greencard holder spouse issue; dream act, undocumented, etc.). Don't jump on me for saying this but I had written in another posting that of all the people who are disadvantaged with immigration; it would appear that eb candidates are the least disadvantaged of all.
In my view, EB are more disadvantaged in current situation. For a young person with PD 2006 (EB3-India) having approved 140, cannot imagine to file a 485 before he retires. Is it practically possible for him/her to maintain employer-employee relationship till him/her able to file 485? Is it make any sense, condition of LC/140 will hold well after 20 years, when a visa number available to him/her?
In family based system, even after 20 years brother-sister or parent-child relationship will be maintained. No need for them to worry about 130 withdrawal of sponsor. In most family based immigration, chain migrants are coming to USA not for family-reunification; they are coming for work/job. There is no labor certification for them.
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gjoe
02-15 12:07 PM
Its just that you chose not to leave. The correct description of the situation is - you are imposing slavery upon yourself and asking for remedy from the government. Isn't that correct? Jazzy is simply saying that you can leave if you don't like it. So you are not a slave. Its that simple.
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A person can kill himself to solve all his problems. But that is not the point. If I have come here to work and you have things setup in a way that it can be used to exploit you ( e.g. employer holding back your pay for no valid reason) that amounts to indirectly supporting slave business. The word "slave" doesn't make high tech workers comfortable because they don't want to be categorized as such. But the trouble they are going through is similar to that of the slaves that were taken by the brits in olden days for working at different places in their colonies. If you look at the way most of us work here, it is almost same. Someone (called ur employer) brings you here, he puts you in a place to work reporting to a differnet master sometime many. This exactly how slave trade was working in olden days, but today instead of us working in plantations or laying highways we are working on the building the IT super highway.
I rest my case here for now
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A person can kill himself to solve all his problems. But that is not the point. If I have come here to work and you have things setup in a way that it can be used to exploit you ( e.g. employer holding back your pay for no valid reason) that amounts to indirectly supporting slave business. The word "slave" doesn't make high tech workers comfortable because they don't want to be categorized as such. But the trouble they are going through is similar to that of the slaves that were taken by the brits in olden days for working at different places in their colonies. If you look at the way most of us work here, it is almost same. Someone (called ur employer) brings you here, he puts you in a place to work reporting to a differnet master sometime many. This exactly how slave trade was working in olden days, but today instead of us working in plantations or laying highways we are working on the building the IT super highway.
I rest my case here for now
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sanjay
03-27 04:01 PM
Boss, remove Atalji. He is on bed for last 8 months. So no chance for him.
Sonia Gandhi is out of question as people will not accept her.
Rahul is a baccha ( KID ) in front of all those stalwarts ( old and experience wolves ).
Contest should be only between MMS and Advani.
Though i would have loved to see Modi on PM HOT seat.
To all those who had given me RED dot and most idiotic comments for my above post.
Does my above post really need these comments:
* you racist hindu bastard...
* take this nonsense elsewhere
* gandu
etc;
Sonia Gandhi is out of question as people will not accept her.
Rahul is a baccha ( KID ) in front of all those stalwarts ( old and experience wolves ).
Contest should be only between MMS and Advani.
Though i would have loved to see Modi on PM HOT seat.
To all those who had given me RED dot and most idiotic comments for my above post.
Does my above post really need these comments:
* you racist hindu bastard...
* take this nonsense elsewhere
* gandu
etc;
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go_guy123
07-13 12:36 AM
I submitted my TOEFL. I think it is enough
toefl is not recognised only ielts is accepted
toefl is not recognised only ielts is accepted
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greencard_fever
07-23 12:02 PM
USCIS is already did the ground work required to Use up all the left over visas. I am assuming based in the following theory
1) We have seen in the past in USCIS director interview ( i do not have the link for this) that USCIS and DOS is working closely ( This was lacking in the past) to approve as many cases as they can to use maximum VISA number.
2) By looking at the approvals from last 4 months, who ever i know whose PD's were current got their GC's.This indicates that USCIS is working efficiently then it was before to Use up all the VISAS.
3) Lastly i assume that DOS was moving the dates for EB2 consistently for last three visa bulletins and we all know that for August (last Quarter) it has moved by 2yrs+ (DOS and USCIS waited till last quarter to do this which makes more sense),I believe the reason behind this to use all the Visa Numbers and approve as many cases as they can.
This what i am assuming by looking at the recent VB movement and GC approvals.
1) We have seen in the past in USCIS director interview ( i do not have the link for this) that USCIS and DOS is working closely ( This was lacking in the past) to approve as many cases as they can to use maximum VISA number.
2) By looking at the approvals from last 4 months, who ever i know whose PD's were current got their GC's.This indicates that USCIS is working efficiently then it was before to Use up all the VISAS.
3) Lastly i assume that DOS was moving the dates for EB2 consistently for last three visa bulletins and we all know that for August (last Quarter) it has moved by 2yrs+ (DOS and USCIS waited till last quarter to do this which makes more sense),I believe the reason behind this to use all the Visa Numbers and approve as many cases as they can.
This what i am assuming by looking at the recent VB movement and GC approvals.
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Lasantha
12-14 05:29 PM
Yes, now that does look fair to me.
Even if we raise the limit to XYZ from 140000, if we still continue with 7% quota then applicants from India/China/Philippines/Mexico would still be retrogressed. It is not correct.
Let everybody have a go at GC and let it be FIFO, irrespective of the nationality. This is EB and why use diversity if we do not use at the initial stages of bringing people from other countries on H1/J1/L1. These are the people who apply for GC.
1) Increase GC numbers.
2) remove per country cap
3) Remove dependents from GC numbers.
All above should go in simultaneously for a 'FAIR', 'NON_DISCRIMINATIVE' solution.
Even if we raise the limit to XYZ from 140000, if we still continue with 7% quota then applicants from India/China/Philippines/Mexico would still be retrogressed. It is not correct.
Let everybody have a go at GC and let it be FIFO, irrespective of the nationality. This is EB and why use diversity if we do not use at the initial stages of bringing people from other countries on H1/J1/L1. These are the people who apply for GC.
1) Increase GC numbers.
2) remove per country cap
3) Remove dependents from GC numbers.
All above should go in simultaneously for a 'FAIR', 'NON_DISCRIMINATIVE' solution.
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venky321
01-13 05:42 PM
Interesting. I think there would probably be around maybe half a million or so H1Bs currently in the US, probably more , working in the IT industry. Many if not most would work for these consulting companies; ranging from the large one's like Accenture or TCS to the grocery store offices in NJ. All of them have the potential to be affected if this memo is strictly enforced.
While I would be glad if all the shady consultancy firms that have wrecked the H1B program to be put out of business; there might be serious disruptions in the IT industry if hundreds of thousands of workers are going to be forced out; even if in a phased manner; i.e. letting folks stay till their current visas expire.
While I would be glad if all the shady consultancy firms that have wrecked the H1B program to be put out of business; there might be serious disruptions in the IT industry if hundreds of thousands of workers are going to be forced out; even if in a phased manner; i.e. letting folks stay till their current visas expire.
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fall2004us
07-21 01:19 PM
I have had my own experiences with these stalkers, one time I ran into a guy in Walmart and he asked "are you from south India" blah blah....then he asked me "do you have my phone number", I told him "I just met you and how do u expect me to have ur number".....then he asked my #, I gave him my old land line which was disconnected, he called immediately saying that he is giving his # to me, the call did'nt go through, he asked me why? I told him straight on the face to stop this amway business deals with me, he just ignored and rushed to another aisle.
As others said, if some desi smiles and talks to you (which is rare) the first thing you think is that he is from amway......:D
As others said, if some desi smiles and talks to you (which is rare) the first thing you think is that he is from amway......:D
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sobyb
05-01 04:04 PM
Hi Keeme,
My post was not about double standards BUT about opposing terrorism, it doesn't matter if its LTTE, KHALISTAN, TALIBAN or any other organisation which terrorises the society. These terrorists outfits should be handled beyond any religious, linguistic or any other consideration.
Regarding support for common man/community, we should oppose any human rights violation against any individual/community, there shouldn't be any double standards BUT at the same time action against terrorist outfits should not be compromised.
My post was not about double standards BUT about opposing terrorism, it doesn't matter if its LTTE, KHALISTAN, TALIBAN or any other organisation which terrorises the society. These terrorists outfits should be handled beyond any religious, linguistic or any other consideration.
Regarding support for common man/community, we should oppose any human rights violation against any individual/community, there shouldn't be any double standards BUT at the same time action against terrorist outfits should not be compromised.
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Aah_GC
07-11 06:10 PM
Guys.. can one of you please suggest a good Canadian PR processing company? I keep getting mails from cr@protechimmigration.com. Is Protech good?
Would really appreciate a reply.
Would really appreciate a reply.
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trramesh
06-15 11:00 AM
For most of the ppl with hateful comments, Reality sucks and bites back. I agree with dilip and unfortunately, among billions voices and opinions dont matter. Just brutal personal attacks.
That said. We cant stop the outsourcing and dumping. Today is biilions from India and china and tomorrow rest of billions from rest of world (like Africa and rest).
If you dont have any proper counter argument, dont post. Period, dont stoop to personal attack.(race,caste,place and commutiy and alma mater).
Grow up folks.
As the saying goes, there are two sides to a coin, and there is definitely some truth in the counter arguments. There are quite a few blood sucking desi consulting cos out there, and those need to be cleansed out to protect our own country men from exploitation.
Coming to the point of GC, it is the US gov that gave H1B and invited these people to come and work here to support its companies. At that point, it did not apply country quota. Now when it comes to adjudicating GCs, this unfair concept exists. The process should be unifiorm and fair. If GC and citizenship needs per country quota, so does H1B. Keep everyone at the same level. How is someone from a non retrogressed country more worthy to US than his counterpart from a retrogressed country.
We cannot change what had already happened, and fortunately or unfortunately, we are here looking to have our future in this country. We also need a clear path to immigration. I think it is the moral responsibility of the US gov to show us just that. If the US gov wants to protect the jobs for its citizens, one cannot blame it, but dont let the L1s and H1Bs that you had already brought in years ago to rot in retrogression. After all, these guys also have a family and a career to take care of.
The point I am trying to make is, let us not get into arguments that take us nowhere. Let us rather focus on newer ideas to make our voices heard. Let this forum serve its purpose.
That said. We cant stop the outsourcing and dumping. Today is biilions from India and china and tomorrow rest of billions from rest of world (like Africa and rest).
If you dont have any proper counter argument, dont post. Period, dont stoop to personal attack.(race,caste,place and commutiy and alma mater).
Grow up folks.
As the saying goes, there are two sides to a coin, and there is definitely some truth in the counter arguments. There are quite a few blood sucking desi consulting cos out there, and those need to be cleansed out to protect our own country men from exploitation.
Coming to the point of GC, it is the US gov that gave H1B and invited these people to come and work here to support its companies. At that point, it did not apply country quota. Now when it comes to adjudicating GCs, this unfair concept exists. The process should be unifiorm and fair. If GC and citizenship needs per country quota, so does H1B. Keep everyone at the same level. How is someone from a non retrogressed country more worthy to US than his counterpart from a retrogressed country.
We cannot change what had already happened, and fortunately or unfortunately, we are here looking to have our future in this country. We also need a clear path to immigration. I think it is the moral responsibility of the US gov to show us just that. If the US gov wants to protect the jobs for its citizens, one cannot blame it, but dont let the L1s and H1Bs that you had already brought in years ago to rot in retrogression. After all, these guys also have a family and a career to take care of.
The point I am trying to make is, let us not get into arguments that take us nowhere. Let us rather focus on newer ideas to make our voices heard. Let this forum serve its purpose.
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kshitijnt
03-29 11:23 PM
I am not sure what vision Mr.Advani has for India. May be at this age he might have better vision than other people in the same league.
Lets not bring Age into the picture. Manmohan is not much younger either and has had 2 heart surgeries so far. Economy is not the PMs only job. The real power rests with Sonia and my personal opinion is that Advani is a lot more competent than her. Manmohan is just a mask of Congress. "Mukhvta".
Lets not bring Age into the picture. Manmohan is not much younger either and has had 2 heart surgeries so far. Economy is not the PMs only job. The real power rests with Sonia and my personal opinion is that Advani is a lot more competent than her. Manmohan is just a mask of Congress. "Mukhvta".
jungalee43
12-17 08:20 AM
Thanks for the update. No need to reveal any more details. At least I know the e-mails that I sent made their way to some one who matters.
We have taken these ideas to executive and legislative branches of the government. Our suggestions/proposals have been taken up at the top most level. This has been discussed more than few times with favorable consideration. Without being able to share the specifics, we have received extremely positive feedback for our suggestions. Specific events have to occur before this and similar ideas could possibly be considered in the new administration.
Thanks,
We have taken these ideas to executive and legislative branches of the government. Our suggestions/proposals have been taken up at the top most level. This has been discussed more than few times with favorable consideration. Without being able to share the specifics, we have received extremely positive feedback for our suggestions. Specific events have to occur before this and similar ideas could possibly be considered in the new administration.
Thanks,
krish2005
01-14 03:17 PM
She says AILA is aware and very well understands all the repercussions of this on attorneys too. She will post back on their updates as and when she gets.
Hope they will help us fight together.
Hope they will help us fight together.
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