mallu
02-16 03:24 PM
According to first post in following thread ,
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4285
attorney Ron Gotcher says ( he got info ),
"
Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:
* In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
* EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year"
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4285
attorney Ron Gotcher says ( he got info ),
"
Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:
* In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
* EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year"
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snram4
01-22 05:48 PM
That is always one of the option for me. You do not need to tell that. Similarly everyone has the same choice. If some thing does not work out in USA anyone can find an excellent opportunity in India. Not just, if anyone like to go to India they can go anytime. No need to worry about GC or H1b issues
Then please pack your bags and leave the country in the next flight.
Then please pack your bags and leave the country in the next flight.
Openarms
05-29 12:38 PM
this exactly I thought when I read this
"When asked about the potential cutoff dates for EB3 India, China, and Mexico, Mr. Oppenheim said that it would depend on the demand for these categories over the rest of FY2009"
What demand? Aren't these categories already "Unavailable" for the rest of FY2009? What will generate the demand? His earlier statements seem to suggest they have a pretty good handle on the number of cases pending and the EB categories and chargeabilities of those cases. Should'nt they already have a pretty good handle on the demand? On one hand, Mr. Oppenheim is throwing out numbers like they've got it all figured out...and immediately after that he makes a statement which implies they haven't a clue!
"When asked about the potential cutoff dates for EB3 India, China, and Mexico, Mr. Oppenheim said that it would depend on the demand for these categories over the rest of FY2009"
What demand? Aren't these categories already "Unavailable" for the rest of FY2009? What will generate the demand? His earlier statements seem to suggest they have a pretty good handle on the number of cases pending and the EB categories and chargeabilities of those cases. Should'nt they already have a pretty good handle on the demand? On one hand, Mr. Oppenheim is throwing out numbers like they've got it all figured out...and immediately after that he makes a statement which implies they haven't a clue!
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JunRN
05-29 11:47 AM
3.2K visas for EB2I includes all applicants. So regardless of what type of processing, the last person to get his GC is 19 years from now, correct?
Yeah, but your 60k only includes AOS, not CP, right?
Yeah, but your 60k only includes AOS, not CP, right?
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BharatPremi
12-13 02:16 PM
The OP was whether the country quota is constitutional. My interest was to find out if the current laws and regulations are violated by the country quota.
As lazycis pointed out, SC seems to uphold the current situation.
I was not looking into arguing in a court whether a particular regulation is fair or not. The law is what it is (what I or you consider fair or unfair is immaterial), question was : Is the law being implemented or not? Seems like it is.
To change the law, we as IV are lobbying and meeting lawmakers already.
Unless a constitutional lawyer says otherwise, I see no reason to pursue the country quota in a court, considering lazycis post.
Yes. As long as it is established as "law" we can not pursue the solution in a court.
As lazycis pointed out, SC seems to uphold the current situation.
I was not looking into arguing in a court whether a particular regulation is fair or not. The law is what it is (what I or you consider fair or unfair is immaterial), question was : Is the law being implemented or not? Seems like it is.
To change the law, we as IV are lobbying and meeting lawmakers already.
Unless a constitutional lawyer says otherwise, I see no reason to pursue the country quota in a court, considering lazycis post.
Yes. As long as it is established as "law" we can not pursue the solution in a court.
qvadis
02-13 06:44 PM
Before AC21, the spill over goes vertically.
After AC21, the spill over should go horizontally.
Now ROW experts, post your comment for this hypothitical example ..
Lets assume there are 100 unused visas in EB2 catagory in a calender quarter. Worldwide EB damand is more than 140,000. Now, how will you assisn those numbers if it is before AC21 period and if it is after AC21 period.
If you say in both cases it goes to EB3-ROW, then we are not stupid to listien.
(a) INA 202(a)(3) states that the total number of visas available under both subsections (a) and (b) [...] exceeds the number of qualified immigrants [...] (2) shall not apply [...]. In your case, there are no excess visas available for FB immigrants.
(b) INA 202(e) Special Rules for Countries at Ceiling. requires that additional visas are distributed according to the world-wide distribution across FB and EB categories. Of the 100 unused visas 77 would have to be alloted to FB, and only 22 to EB categories. Assuming a 1/3 distribution in EB categories EB1, EB2, EB3, 7 would go to EB2.
If USCIS cannot follow this rule, those 100 visas would be unused for that fiscal year.
With AC21, the 100 can be assigned to oversubscribed countries, if Visas are available, ie. demand in all categories is less than supply. With EB3-ROW retrogressed, that is not the case.
Just the way I see it....
After AC21, the spill over should go horizontally.
Now ROW experts, post your comment for this hypothitical example ..
Lets assume there are 100 unused visas in EB2 catagory in a calender quarter. Worldwide EB damand is more than 140,000. Now, how will you assisn those numbers if it is before AC21 period and if it is after AC21 period.
If you say in both cases it goes to EB3-ROW, then we are not stupid to listien.
(a) INA 202(a)(3) states that the total number of visas available under both subsections (a) and (b) [...] exceeds the number of qualified immigrants [...] (2) shall not apply [...]. In your case, there are no excess visas available for FB immigrants.
(b) INA 202(e) Special Rules for Countries at Ceiling. requires that additional visas are distributed according to the world-wide distribution across FB and EB categories. Of the 100 unused visas 77 would have to be alloted to FB, and only 22 to EB categories. Assuming a 1/3 distribution in EB categories EB1, EB2, EB3, 7 would go to EB2.
If USCIS cannot follow this rule, those 100 visas would be unused for that fiscal year.
With AC21, the 100 can be assigned to oversubscribed countries, if Visas are available, ie. demand in all categories is less than supply. With EB3-ROW retrogressed, that is not the case.
Just the way I see it....
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nixstor
09-23 11:42 AM
I just emailed all of them with my name, address and phone number. Atleast 13 of them bounced. Can some one correct the email addresses in that sheet.
Thanks for sending.
send me a PM with addresses that bounced. I will update the list.
Thanks for sending.
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Googler
02-16 04:24 PM
Note that early PD applications of all categories will be freed from the FBI Namecheck blackhole, so the old situation of not-stuck later PDs getting greencards because early PDs were stuck won't happen any more. That is what created the mad, lottery like situation. So there should be slow cutoff date movements in future barring yet another f&#$ up by USCIS.
When a category becomes "Unavailable" it means that the entire annual supply for that category has been used up for that fiscal year (which ends Sept 2008). Given the degree of the EB-3 ROW retrogression, I very very much doubt there will be ANY spillover from ROW to India. At present, DOS plans to move EB-2 India only if EB-1 India has excess visas. The quota for for EB-1 India is 2803 (including dependents) in any fiscal year. So let us consider some scenarios -- say half the EB-1 India are available, so 1401 are given to EB-2 India -- do I think there are 1401 EB-2 India applicants with dependents ahead of me -- average family size of 2.2 means approx 636 applicants? Yep! No doubt about it! Hell I'm sure that there are 2803 EB-2 India applicants ahead of me.
Remember also, that the DOL backlog was FINALLY cleared. All those unlucky people with PDs even earlier than mine were FINALLY able to file their I-485s. They are all in the mix now and deserve to get their greencard before I do.
The earlier situation with the FBI blackhole meant that USCIS could rob Peter (stuck w, early PD) to give greencards to Paul (not stuck w. late PD), hence the wild movements in cutoff dates and the idea that oh, my date will come any day. Now we will really feel the supply constraint, there simply aren't enough greencards to satisfy long retrogressed EB-3 ROW and the permanently oversubscribed countries. Which means that recapture is the ONLY that too partial solution for this mess. Everything we do should be towards achieving that aim.
And then there this piece of info from Ron Gotcher posted on Feb 14, 2008
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4285
"Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:
In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year."
I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. So I guess at least as of 2/14/08 he thought moving the date to 12/1/03 would more than mop up whatever was leftover from EB-1 India. Given the end of the FBI boondoggle (the effects of which have not been quantified by Oppenheim or USCIS) I'd predict that even a date in early 2002 would be good enough to mop up. Let us see if he changes his mind by mid March.
When a category becomes "Unavailable" it means that the entire annual supply for that category has been used up for that fiscal year (which ends Sept 2008). Given the degree of the EB-3 ROW retrogression, I very very much doubt there will be ANY spillover from ROW to India. At present, DOS plans to move EB-2 India only if EB-1 India has excess visas. The quota for for EB-1 India is 2803 (including dependents) in any fiscal year. So let us consider some scenarios -- say half the EB-1 India are available, so 1401 are given to EB-2 India -- do I think there are 1401 EB-2 India applicants with dependents ahead of me -- average family size of 2.2 means approx 636 applicants? Yep! No doubt about it! Hell I'm sure that there are 2803 EB-2 India applicants ahead of me.
Remember also, that the DOL backlog was FINALLY cleared. All those unlucky people with PDs even earlier than mine were FINALLY able to file their I-485s. They are all in the mix now and deserve to get their greencard before I do.
The earlier situation with the FBI blackhole meant that USCIS could rob Peter (stuck w, early PD) to give greencards to Paul (not stuck w. late PD), hence the wild movements in cutoff dates and the idea that oh, my date will come any day. Now we will really feel the supply constraint, there simply aren't enough greencards to satisfy long retrogressed EB-3 ROW and the permanently oversubscribed countries. Which means that recapture is the ONLY that too partial solution for this mess. Everything we do should be towards achieving that aim.
And then there this piece of info from Ron Gotcher posted on Feb 14, 2008
http://immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4285
"Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:
In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year."
I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. So I guess at least as of 2/14/08 he thought moving the date to 12/1/03 would more than mop up whatever was leftover from EB-1 India. Given the end of the FBI boondoggle (the effects of which have not been quantified by Oppenheim or USCIS) I'd predict that even a date in early 2002 would be good enough to mop up. Let us see if he changes his mind by mid March.
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kondur_007
01-13 09:19 PM
However what we as a community should realize is this is just the first trick under the sleeves of anti-immigrants supported by grassley and co. Once consulting companies are out of the picture, they will target permanent employers with conditions like "the company should not have fired any US citizen in the past 6 months or plan to layoff any citizen in the upcoming 6 months." They could come up with additional restrictions for direct employers as well.
Exactly my point.
Exactly my point.
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Caliber
09-04 12:23 PM
You are showing your contribution in all your postings. Don't have any shame???
your left hand should not know what your right hand is doing(giving)
It is typical for many Indians to put their name in cars (even here) and their contribution to temples to be anounced in public address system and put names on any things which they are donated.
You need to change the style, if you are in Rome, behave like Romas.
Romas??? What is that?
I feel proud to show my contribution in all my postings.
I live by what I believe in and do not change for people like you.
You also please donate, if you are really proud to be an Indian the way you put in your signature and let your left hand does not know it. Then talk about my bad things.
your left hand should not know what your right hand is doing(giving)
It is typical for many Indians to put their name in cars (even here) and their contribution to temples to be anounced in public address system and put names on any things which they are donated.
You need to change the style, if you are in Rome, behave like Romas.
Romas??? What is that?
I feel proud to show my contribution in all my postings.
I live by what I believe in and do not change for people like you.
You also please donate, if you are really proud to be an Indian the way you put in your signature and let your left hand does not know it. Then talk about my bad things.
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dupedinjuly
07-04 01:21 AM
IV release.:Please send it to other media offices and free press release distribution services
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
I have joined immigrationvoice today. I did contact all the major newspapers in Utah. I was called back by DeseretNews. I was called back and gave almost and hour of interview (more than one call). The story publication in Deseretnews is imminent on July 4 or 5.
Hi,
The Dept of State and Dept of Homeland Security(USCIS) acted against the interests of immigrants trying to immigrate legally. Legal immigration is the real issue. If it works, there
will not be a need to grant amnesty to millons of illegal alilens. The real solution to stop
illegal immigration is to make legal immigration work. Unfortunately, the government is going
in the opposite direction as evident by the actions of DOS and DOHS on July 2, 2007.
I would be happy if you would be kind enough to publish this story and bring the issue
of legal immigration to light. After all, thats what everybody wants, immigration to be
orderly and legal, but is it workable ? and why people trying to follow the law feel
cheated and duped by the government, after waiting patiently for years and abiding to
the laws.
Regards,
No Celebration For Thousands of Highly-Skilled Future Americans this July 4th
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
Administration Slams Door on Thousands of Legal Immigrants: AILA Condemns Agencies Bait and Switch
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=22804
Legal workers lose chance at green cards - Associated Press
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMMIGRATION_GREEN_CARDS?SITE=CAANR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Further References:
www.immigrationvoice.org
www.aila.org
www.shusterman.com
www.murthy.com
www.immigration-law.com
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
I have joined immigrationvoice today. I did contact all the major newspapers in Utah. I was called back by DeseretNews. I was called back and gave almost and hour of interview (more than one call). The story publication in Deseretnews is imminent on July 4 or 5.
Hi,
The Dept of State and Dept of Homeland Security(USCIS) acted against the interests of immigrants trying to immigrate legally. Legal immigration is the real issue. If it works, there
will not be a need to grant amnesty to millons of illegal alilens. The real solution to stop
illegal immigration is to make legal immigration work. Unfortunately, the government is going
in the opposite direction as evident by the actions of DOS and DOHS on July 2, 2007.
I would be happy if you would be kind enough to publish this story and bring the issue
of legal immigration to light. After all, thats what everybody wants, immigration to be
orderly and legal, but is it workable ? and why people trying to follow the law feel
cheated and duped by the government, after waiting patiently for years and abiding to
the laws.
Regards,
No Celebration For Thousands of Highly-Skilled Future Americans this July 4th
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
Administration Slams Door on Thousands of Legal Immigrants: AILA Condemns Agencies Bait and Switch
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=22804
Legal workers lose chance at green cards - Associated Press
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMMIGRATION_GREEN_CARDS?SITE=CAANR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Further References:
www.immigrationvoice.org
www.aila.org
www.shusterman.com
www.murthy.com
www.immigration-law.com
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soljabhai
12-14 04:55 PM
well as of now, 15 October 2002 is the Cut-off date for ROW EB3 is not much worse than the cutoff dates for the other oversubscribed countries. (somewhere in 2001). Considering we are on the threshold of 2008
In the hypothetical scenario EB3 ROW won't be much worse. Especially since many (majority) Indian's have transferred to EB2 already.
So I don't understand how would ROW EB3 be much worse off than now.
The only "real losers" will be ROW EB2 which is current. As far as I know they are not constituents/members of IV so we should not worry about them.
In the hypothetical scenario EB3 ROW won't be much worse. Especially since many (majority) Indian's have transferred to EB2 already.
So I don't understand how would ROW EB3 be much worse off than now.
The only "real losers" will be ROW EB2 which is current. As far as I know they are not constituents/members of IV so we should not worry about them.
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paskal
12-13 12:00 PM
--I think, per country quota system was framed with diversification as underlying principle, not discrimination.
Depending on which country you are from, it may seem like discrimination or fair system upholding diversity.
If you are from India, you would hate it. There are truckloads of programmers in that country. But if you are the only graduate with programming skills from a country like timbaktoo (?), you would love it. You also got a shot at american dream.
This EB quota system reminds me of Caste reservation system in India. To some that is fair, to others, it is unfair. Depends on which side of the fence you are.
if you read the history of immigration this country you will see that such measures are typically taken with restriction in mind not diversity. Diversity is the nice sounding cloak. there is a definite fear that FB will bring in many mexican migrants ( "chain migration") and the country quota holds that back imho. you think it's because of indian programmers? it was made long before those existed. remember we are a minuscule number- don't feel so important- the programmers are about 2% of all immigrants. 11% is all EB, half are families, half again are techies- not all those are programmers. do the math.
also remember that 50,000 Gc are given a year by lottery for "diversity". as a result more bangladeshis get Gc in a year than indians on EB. so why do we need the country quota in EB again?
to the person bringing up caste system and fences, here is my proposal.
i am a physician, i am being held behind hoardes of techies who can easily have PD's much before mine since i am training and working longer and the J1 holds me back. 12 years here and no where in the line...so i should get a fast track too. let's have a cap for the techies...hey it looks great from my side of the fence...i'm sure you will agree that i should be pushed up the line.
either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong.
none of this is an argument for a legal approach. just responding to stuff here. the "colonizing" comment was really something. have the author been visiting FAIR??
Depending on which country you are from, it may seem like discrimination or fair system upholding diversity.
If you are from India, you would hate it. There are truckloads of programmers in that country. But if you are the only graduate with programming skills from a country like timbaktoo (?), you would love it. You also got a shot at american dream.
This EB quota system reminds me of Caste reservation system in India. To some that is fair, to others, it is unfair. Depends on which side of the fence you are.
if you read the history of immigration this country you will see that such measures are typically taken with restriction in mind not diversity. Diversity is the nice sounding cloak. there is a definite fear that FB will bring in many mexican migrants ( "chain migration") and the country quota holds that back imho. you think it's because of indian programmers? it was made long before those existed. remember we are a minuscule number- don't feel so important- the programmers are about 2% of all immigrants. 11% is all EB, half are families, half again are techies- not all those are programmers. do the math.
also remember that 50,000 Gc are given a year by lottery for "diversity". as a result more bangladeshis get Gc in a year than indians on EB. so why do we need the country quota in EB again?
to the person bringing up caste system and fences, here is my proposal.
i am a physician, i am being held behind hoardes of techies who can easily have PD's much before mine since i am training and working longer and the J1 holds me back. 12 years here and no where in the line...so i should get a fast track too. let's have a cap for the techies...hey it looks great from my side of the fence...i'm sure you will agree that i should be pushed up the line.
either it's wrong or right. the caste system is wrong, from every side of the fence. it may benefit some and hurt others. but it's wrong, wrong and wrong.
same for this country quota. sure it helps some, and looks good from "their side of the fence". that does not change the fact that it is wrong.
none of this is an argument for a legal approach. just responding to stuff here. the "colonizing" comment was really something. have the author been visiting FAIR??
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03-27 11:55 AM
Mayawati, Jayalalitha and Chandrababu have a good chance. I think it will be Jayalalitha.
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ramus
06-28 05:56 PM
So this is very clear example where dates were current for June but they just came up on June 5th and asked to reject all other worker application..
Now why can't they do fsame or EB?
Do you know if they even accepected application that they got before June 5th.
That was 5th June as per Oh's website and Oh's website was quoting AILA's memo.
Now why can't they do fsame or EB?
Do you know if they even accepected application that they got before June 5th.
That was 5th June as per Oh's website and Oh's website was quoting AILA's memo.
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01-26 02:11 PM
You can not apply I-140 Premium Processing if you are doing Labor substitution.
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bestin
01-10 07:11 AM
Dont worry dude.my pd is eb2 Jul07 and my L1 expired in Dec.My company applied for my H1 in sep 09 and it was approved in 3 weeks without RFE. Some of my friends in consulting got RFEs for renewal but was eventually approved atleast until the date of contract.
Hello Gurus,
My priority date is Aug 11 , 2006(EB2) and my 6 year H1B ends Sept 2011. Is there any chance the priority dates will move to Aug 2006 levels in FY2010? Or in FY2011? I am really worried because these days people are getting rejections for H1 renewals. When my time comes for renewal I want to have the EAD as a backup in case H1 renewal gets rejected.
Please let me know your thoughts on movement to Aug 2006 before Sept 2011.
Thanks.
Hello Gurus,
My priority date is Aug 11 , 2006(EB2) and my 6 year H1B ends Sept 2011. Is there any chance the priority dates will move to Aug 2006 levels in FY2010? Or in FY2011? I am really worried because these days people are getting rejections for H1 renewals. When my time comes for renewal I want to have the EAD as a backup in case H1 renewal gets rejected.
Please let me know your thoughts on movement to Aug 2006 before Sept 2011.
Thanks.
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07-04 12:47 PM
amitjoey, janakp, tikka, macaca, others, please check your email or Private messages for a proposed conf call for some of the key members from IV
pointlesswait
06-02 01:17 AM
country quota is not racial discrimination...u must be a fool to say that.
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
I do not agree ,
They should not deduct SS/Medicare taxes, If i am not eligible for it.
So basically you pay for a CAR , and you dont get the delivery.. What do you do??
We have been trying for the recapture. And i see no success, or even close to sucess.
A good lawyer, can prove that the country quota is a racial discrimination or is unconstiitutional.
I may be wrong , and this is just my opinion.
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
I do not agree ,
They should not deduct SS/Medicare taxes, If i am not eligible for it.
So basically you pay for a CAR , and you dont get the delivery.. What do you do??
We have been trying for the recapture. And i see no success, or even close to sucess.
A good lawyer, can prove that the country quota is a racial discrimination or is unconstiitutional.
I may be wrong , and this is just my opinion.
snathan
08-16 11:41 AM
So shall we strip search Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton on their next visit to India? They can also be accused of bringing something illegal, isnt it?
Does our people have the balls to do that?
Does our people have the balls to do that?
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