soulat
10-03 11:24 AM
Hello,
Firstly, thank you to the attorney for taking the time to answer our questions and to Immigration Voice for facilitating this process.
Dear attorney,
Is the "P" visa category considered a dual intent visa category? Meaning can someone on a P visa apply for permanent residency?
If yes, then is the permanent residency process for a P visa holder the same as someone on an H visa? i.e., get LC, I-140 and then apply for I-485?
Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best wishes to you!
Firstly, thank you to the attorney for taking the time to answer our questions and to Immigration Voice for facilitating this process.
Dear attorney,
Is the "P" visa category considered a dual intent visa category? Meaning can someone on a P visa apply for permanent residency?
If yes, then is the permanent residency process for a P visa holder the same as someone on an H visa? i.e., get LC, I-140 and then apply for I-485?
Thank you in advance for your reply.
Best wishes to you!
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u.misc
01-19 12:00 PM
agreed 100% but read my post with a sense of humor. No malice towards any desi consulting co. It was pure humor .
What part of the following was the pure humor ?
1. Yours extensive, in depth and first hand understanding of Prostitution business as it was your family business.
2. The sophistication of your thinking that your sister working for Consulting Company is as good as her working in brothel.
Or,
3. Reverting from all the BS you said about desi people working as consultants.
Shut the hell up.
What part of the following was the pure humor ?
1. Yours extensive, in depth and first hand understanding of Prostitution business as it was your family business.
2. The sophistication of your thinking that your sister working for Consulting Company is as good as her working in brothel.
Or,
3. Reverting from all the BS you said about desi people working as consultants.
Shut the hell up.
oguinan
02-15 06:52 PM
No claim, just fact. Sure, you can dress up a pig, but some people will still see it for a pig.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act
Racial restrictions which previously existed were abolished in the INA, but a quota system was retained and the policy of restricting the numbers of immigrants from certain countries was continued.
A couple of points. Firstly it's usually a good idea when quoting wikipedia to include the primary reference that the quote or opinion is based on. A contentious issue like immigration reform produces lots of opinion but not all of it is based on fact. Secondly, there are shocking racial elements in the history of immigration laws in the US. Perhaps it's not that shocking when one considers the racial history of the country. Many people will be familiar with the supreme court case 1923 of Bhagat Singh Thind, a Sikh man who fought for the US in World War I. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind
The immigration laws at the time said that only Caucasians could become US citizens. The framers of the law assumed that Caucasian meant "white" while Singh Thind relied on science to prove that people of South Asian origin were also Caucasian. He lost the case with one judge stating "the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences".
My point is that the immigration laws of the United States were racist until the 1952 INA act. They specifically placed quotas on people based on the color of their skin. Today's restrictions, while bizarre, unreasonable and unfair in many ways, cannot be defined as racist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act
Racial restrictions which previously existed were abolished in the INA, but a quota system was retained and the policy of restricting the numbers of immigrants from certain countries was continued.
A couple of points. Firstly it's usually a good idea when quoting wikipedia to include the primary reference that the quote or opinion is based on. A contentious issue like immigration reform produces lots of opinion but not all of it is based on fact. Secondly, there are shocking racial elements in the history of immigration laws in the US. Perhaps it's not that shocking when one considers the racial history of the country. Many people will be familiar with the supreme court case 1923 of Bhagat Singh Thind, a Sikh man who fought for the US in World War I. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind
The immigration laws at the time said that only Caucasians could become US citizens. The framers of the law assumed that Caucasian meant "white" while Singh Thind relied on science to prove that people of South Asian origin were also Caucasian. He lost the case with one judge stating "the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences".
My point is that the immigration laws of the United States were racist until the 1952 INA act. They specifically placed quotas on people based on the color of their skin. Today's restrictions, while bizarre, unreasonable and unfair in many ways, cannot be defined as racist.
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andy007
07-04 11:11 AM
Please post good reliable estimate of cost for applying with ALL possible break ups. I know the following only!
Cost of applying = application fee ($795 ??) + Lawyer fee + others (= medical + pictures + ...)
Also, which parts are lost if we have to re-apply!
Application Fee : Main Applicant : $375.00 (Application Fee) + $70.00 (Finger Print) + $50.00 (Fedex) + Medical Exam ($250.00) + Photos ($40.00) + Lawer Fee ($1500.00) and if we have any dependent same thing except Application fee and Lawer fess ($325.00 (Application Fee) + 500$ Lawer Fee)
All Togther : $2285.00 and calling here and there almost $2500.00 Per Person .... any other information please ask us........ thanks
Cost of applying = application fee ($795 ??) + Lawyer fee + others (= medical + pictures + ...)
Also, which parts are lost if we have to re-apply!
Application Fee : Main Applicant : $375.00 (Application Fee) + $70.00 (Finger Print) + $50.00 (Fedex) + Medical Exam ($250.00) + Photos ($40.00) + Lawer Fee ($1500.00) and if we have any dependent same thing except Application fee and Lawer fess ($325.00 (Application Fee) + 500$ Lawer Fee)
All Togther : $2285.00 and calling here and there almost $2500.00 Per Person .... any other information please ask us........ thanks
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Macaca
07-03 09:01 PM
I will need everyone's input since I don't know all issues.
Titles
"Immigration scandal goes unnoticed" or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload" or "Is this legal?" or "Resignations due at USCIS" or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play" or GOVT "AGENCIES SHORT CIRCUIT A MILLION HOPES" or "The US govt. does a number on High Skilled Immigrants" or "Legal immigrants and the prison of USCIS" or "Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US" or "US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants" or "US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants" or "Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness" or "Legal Immigration system in shambles" or "Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?" or "USCIS betrays thousands of hopeful"
Retrogression in employment based (EB) legal permanent resident (= GC) process
Skilled tax paying immigrants
Adjustment of Status (AOS) is last stage in EB GC process
AOS application requirements
Application requires
Medical
increase in (hard to get) appointments across United States
Some had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH. (newbee7)
Birth certificate
request for documentation in country of origin
Requires applicant and dependents (spouse + children) to be in country.
Some applicants and/or dependents had to fly in to be able to apply. (chanduv23)
2-3 days to prepare forms
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms
Cost of applying
Application Fee
I-765 (Application for Employment Authorization) $180
I-485 (Application for Adjustment of Status to register as Permanent Resident)
($225 for applicaiton below 14 and over 80 (Should check on this)) $ 325
I-131 (Application for Advance Parole / Travel Document) $170 -
Biometric Recording Fees (Finger Printing, etc) $70
Total $745
Lawyer Fee $1000+
Others
Medical $250+
Pictures $30-40
Postage $50
Misc $50
2 Days off Work
Overseas travel to fill form
Looks like only $380+ is lost per applicant.
Need good estimate on #dependents!
Benefits of AOS application
provides Employment Authorization (EAD) that
allows applicant to change employers 180 days after filing AOS, if the new job is the same as the one they based their positions/original GC applications on. This is very important for applicants, who are bound to a particular employer for 6+ years due to GC processing delays.
allows spouse to get out of the house and contribute to American economy.
eliminates the need for continually renewing temporary skilled visa
A 21+ year old child can not be filed with primary applicant. However, once AOS is filed the child is "safe" regardless of how long USCIS takes to approve AOS. (My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008: darslee)
provides Advanced Parole (AP) for travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead
application processing, which includes name checking that can take 1+ year, can be done while waiting for GC #.
USCIS gets a better load estimate for load balancing.
What happened
Applicants started filling forms on June 13th
Some applicants mailed forms on June 29th
USCIS announced on July 2 that it will not accept forms recieved on or after July 2
Why does it hurt
Waiting in line for 6+ years due to previous GC processing delays
Very little chance of legislative relief for a long time.
Rejected June filers can not re-file.
Some applicants did not file in June (due to prior engagements) because they had the option of filing in July.
$'s lost on re-applying
Lawyers who charged $1000+ for filing will not refund service fee and charge for additional processing
Medical will not be valid after 1 year and photos will not be valid after 6 months.
estimated expenses for at least 100,000 applicants is $6,000+ million in filing fees, medical examination expenses, incidental expenses such as travel, photocopying, phone calls, courier, etc., not including the 2-3 days of preparation time expended by each family as well as lost productivity experienced by applicants’ businesses due to absence from work
Fees increasing 66% starting Aug 1 2007; should consider July applicants under old rate
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee should pay some attention to applicants
Special cases
I applied for H1B extension when my PD was current. Since my PD was current, I got 1 year extension. However, I could not apply for AOS. Now, I have to re-apply for H1B extension after 1 year. (??)
I could not apply in July. I had planned overseas trip on July 8th. What happens if my date becomes current before I return? (andyny73)
Individual trauma and stress
Thousands of individuals and businesses rely on the monthly bulletins to prepare and plan for the submission of applications. This update sets a terrible precedent, and undermines this nation’s efforts to foster legal and orderly immigration.
Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for millions of legal immigrants who have been living in US for 6+ years. Besides everyday stress of job, mortgage, health and education of their children, they live with the added suspense of their GC application. (from vasa)
We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes. So it is not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries. (from vasa)
The biggest loss is trust: Can we trust and rely on visa bulletin to prepare AOS application?
Applicants will always live in fear untill they receive receipt #
USCIS history
376, 345 GCs went unused from 1992-2006 mainly due to USCIS inefficiency
According to page 35 of ombudsman report, This loss of visas is due to:
gaps in USCIS’ accounting of cases;
USCIS not processing enough pending applications in a timely manner; and
the imprecise art of predicting workflows and demand surges at three federal agencies:
Department of Labor (DOL) (approves labor certifications);
USCIS (processes immigration petitions after completion of labor certifications and processes green card applications for applicants in the United States); and
DOS (establishes priority dates and processes immigrant visas from applicants outside the United States).
Comparison with Undocumented
Titles
"Immigration scandal goes unnoticed" or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload" or "Is this legal?" or "Resignations due at USCIS" or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play" or GOVT "AGENCIES SHORT CIRCUIT A MILLION HOPES" or "The US govt. does a number on High Skilled Immigrants" or "Legal immigrants and the prison of USCIS" or "Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US" or "US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants" or "US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants" or "Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness" or "Legal Immigration system in shambles" or "Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?" or "USCIS betrays thousands of hopeful"
Retrogression in employment based (EB) legal permanent resident (= GC) process
Skilled tax paying immigrants
Adjustment of Status (AOS) is last stage in EB GC process
AOS application requirements
Application requires
Medical
increase in (hard to get) appointments across United States
Some had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH. (newbee7)
Birth certificate
request for documentation in country of origin
Requires applicant and dependents (spouse + children) to be in country.
Some applicants and/or dependents had to fly in to be able to apply. (chanduv23)
2-3 days to prepare forms
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms
Cost of applying
Application Fee
I-765 (Application for Employment Authorization) $180
I-485 (Application for Adjustment of Status to register as Permanent Resident)
($225 for applicaiton below 14 and over 80 (Should check on this)) $ 325
I-131 (Application for Advance Parole / Travel Document) $170 -
Biometric Recording Fees (Finger Printing, etc) $70
Total $745
Lawyer Fee $1000+
Others
Medical $250+
Pictures $30-40
Postage $50
Misc $50
2 Days off Work
Overseas travel to fill form
Looks like only $380+ is lost per applicant.
Need good estimate on #dependents!
Benefits of AOS application
provides Employment Authorization (EAD) that
allows applicant to change employers 180 days after filing AOS, if the new job is the same as the one they based their positions/original GC applications on. This is very important for applicants, who are bound to a particular employer for 6+ years due to GC processing delays.
allows spouse to get out of the house and contribute to American economy.
eliminates the need for continually renewing temporary skilled visa
A 21+ year old child can not be filed with primary applicant. However, once AOS is filed the child is "safe" regardless of how long USCIS takes to approve AOS. (My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008: darslee)
provides Advanced Parole (AP) for travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead
application processing, which includes name checking that can take 1+ year, can be done while waiting for GC #.
USCIS gets a better load estimate for load balancing.
What happened
Applicants started filling forms on June 13th
Some applicants mailed forms on June 29th
USCIS announced on July 2 that it will not accept forms recieved on or after July 2
Why does it hurt
Waiting in line for 6+ years due to previous GC processing delays
Very little chance of legislative relief for a long time.
Rejected June filers can not re-file.
Some applicants did not file in June (due to prior engagements) because they had the option of filing in July.
$'s lost on re-applying
Lawyers who charged $1000+ for filing will not refund service fee and charge for additional processing
Medical will not be valid after 1 year and photos will not be valid after 6 months.
estimated expenses for at least 100,000 applicants is $6,000+ million in filing fees, medical examination expenses, incidental expenses such as travel, photocopying, phone calls, courier, etc., not including the 2-3 days of preparation time expended by each family as well as lost productivity experienced by applicants’ businesses due to absence from work
Fees increasing 66% starting Aug 1 2007; should consider July applicants under old rate
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee should pay some attention to applicants
Special cases
I applied for H1B extension when my PD was current. Since my PD was current, I got 1 year extension. However, I could not apply for AOS. Now, I have to re-apply for H1B extension after 1 year. (??)
I could not apply in July. I had planned overseas trip on July 8th. What happens if my date becomes current before I return? (andyny73)
Individual trauma and stress
Thousands of individuals and businesses rely on the monthly bulletins to prepare and plan for the submission of applications. This update sets a terrible precedent, and undermines this nation’s efforts to foster legal and orderly immigration.
Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for millions of legal immigrants who have been living in US for 6+ years. Besides everyday stress of job, mortgage, health and education of their children, they live with the added suspense of their GC application. (from vasa)
We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes. So it is not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries. (from vasa)
The biggest loss is trust: Can we trust and rely on visa bulletin to prepare AOS application?
Applicants will always live in fear untill they receive receipt #
USCIS history
376, 345 GCs went unused from 1992-2006 mainly due to USCIS inefficiency
According to page 35 of ombudsman report, This loss of visas is due to:
gaps in USCIS’ accounting of cases;
USCIS not processing enough pending applications in a timely manner; and
the imprecise art of predicting workflows and demand surges at three federal agencies:
Department of Labor (DOL) (approves labor certifications);
USCIS (processes immigration petitions after completion of labor certifications and processes green card applications for applicants in the United States); and
DOS (establishes priority dates and processes immigrant visas from applicants outside the United States).
Comparison with Undocumented
i-luv-tofu
07-27 12:40 PM
I am extremely interested in this business. Can somebody please refer me, I am in LA?
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chanduv23
07-04 08:54 AM
We need a funny, innovative, catchy, entertaining cartoon on youtube that will catch everyone's attention. Youtube seems to be the most powerful medium of communication.
This must give a strong message to the agencies who played this dirty game on immigrants
This must give a strong message to the agencies who played this dirty game on immigrants
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tikka
07-04 12:25 AM
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jaithran
01-14 09:24 AM
First of all, I am neither a donor nor a person interested in spending any of my time & energy (Except filing documents and visiting forums like IV once in a while to check progress) in running behind this GC stuff, as that�s not my priority-simple. But I wish and would really be happy if I get my GC quicker as it got its benefits. Having said that, I am not against any kind of efforts volunteered by people/group, who are very serious about GC and I really respect and appreciate their efforts, but I think I have the freedom to express my sincere opinion.
Plainspeak really make some sense here because sometimes just getting satisfied with a patch up solution would be a bigger disaster in longer run. As person being here in US for a decade and being in the GC Queue for half a decade, I strongly believe EB2-I is never going to be current anymore and EB3-I is never going to get any spill over from the DV bill if passed in its current format. So the option left here is either take whatever you get and hope for the best OR (EB2 and EB3) together fight/work for the right thing to happen, instead of being silent just because you may be a beneficiary of the current format, though it�s not right. I hope everyone here will agree and accept that the right thing would be EB-3 getting at least 50% of spill over whatever EB-2 gets. IV may not succeed in that effort but IV being silent can never be justified.
Also Volunteering is something which you do for the benefit of others without any expectation and I really appreciate all the volunteers here for their efforts but, some of them often directly/indirectly pass derogatory comments on non-donors and non-volunteers especially when they differ on views and immediately they ask, how many congress men you met? � Which is inappropriate and it�s like saying either agree with what we say or shut up, if you are a not a volunteer or donor. And nothing wrong in you having a policy like that but in that case you can restrict the write access to only volunteers and donors. I am also totally against any non-donors/non-volunteers making derogatory comments on volunteers/donors as they deserve more appreciation than derogatory comments for what they do.
Plainspeak really make some sense here because sometimes just getting satisfied with a patch up solution would be a bigger disaster in longer run. As person being here in US for a decade and being in the GC Queue for half a decade, I strongly believe EB2-I is never going to be current anymore and EB3-I is never going to get any spill over from the DV bill if passed in its current format. So the option left here is either take whatever you get and hope for the best OR (EB2 and EB3) together fight/work for the right thing to happen, instead of being silent just because you may be a beneficiary of the current format, though it�s not right. I hope everyone here will agree and accept that the right thing would be EB-3 getting at least 50% of spill over whatever EB-2 gets. IV may not succeed in that effort but IV being silent can never be justified.
Also Volunteering is something which you do for the benefit of others without any expectation and I really appreciate all the volunteers here for their efforts but, some of them often directly/indirectly pass derogatory comments on non-donors and non-volunteers especially when they differ on views and immediately they ask, how many congress men you met? � Which is inappropriate and it�s like saying either agree with what we say or shut up, if you are a not a volunteer or donor. And nothing wrong in you having a policy like that but in that case you can restrict the write access to only volunteers and donors. I am also totally against any non-donors/non-volunteers making derogatory comments on volunteers/donors as they deserve more appreciation than derogatory comments for what they do.
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alisa
02-13 08:07 PM
You may not be wrong! (Though you are stretching it a bit too far.)
We are not here to do justice. We are all here for our self-interests.
I am eating 3 times a day and looking for the fourth meal. Meanwhile there is a bunch hanging around the kitchen looking for atleast 1 meal a day. The food supply is limited. If i join with those , i might be in a situation of 2 meals a day. Even though justice is done with respect to whole lot, there was some injustice to me. What is then the incentive to work with IV ? Wasn't that the tone of question ?
We are not here to do justice. We are all here for our self-interests.
I am eating 3 times a day and looking for the fourth meal. Meanwhile there is a bunch hanging around the kitchen looking for atleast 1 meal a day. The food supply is limited. If i join with those , i might be in a situation of 2 meals a day. Even though justice is done with respect to whole lot, there was some injustice to me. What is then the incentive to work with IV ? Wasn't that the tone of question ?
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alterego
02-13 10:56 PM
I doubt we can see a visa number increase until the CIR bus comes around again. It is anyones guess when that will be.
I think the only things that might stand a chance is visa recapture. If there are even 150-200K visas recaptured, this will tremendously improve retrogression for up to 2 years. Pressure is building on legislators from both employers and state gov't putting up arbitrary rules which are splitting communities. The enforcement approach taken by gov't is also giving pause for thought to some moderates on this issue. McCains ascension to republican nominee will serve to cool the temperature on this issue during the election season. Hopefully they can do something transitional in the interim which includes visa recapture.
After now 3 yrs of heavy retrogression, this is getting really bad.
I think the only things that might stand a chance is visa recapture. If there are even 150-200K visas recaptured, this will tremendously improve retrogression for up to 2 years. Pressure is building on legislators from both employers and state gov't putting up arbitrary rules which are splitting communities. The enforcement approach taken by gov't is also giving pause for thought to some moderates on this issue. McCains ascension to republican nominee will serve to cool the temperature on this issue during the election season. Hopefully they can do something transitional in the interim which includes visa recapture.
After now 3 yrs of heavy retrogression, this is getting really bad.
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kuhelica2000
02-12 05:58 PM
Quota means a guaranteed number of visa for a country. For example if there is a 3% quota for monorities in college admissions, it guarentees 3% will go to minorities. There is no such quota for green card; only maximum limit a country can use. Even with this limit India captures more visas then any of the ROW countries.
Getting rid of quotas will help. We will not be in a situation where
- EB2 is current for ROW and unavailable for India.
- EB3 is in year 2005 for ROW and stuck in 2001 for India
Adding more visas is a legislative process. Applying per country quota is as
per DOL�s discretion.
Getting rid of quotas will help. We will not be in a situation where
- EB2 is current for ROW and unavailable for India.
- EB3 is in year 2005 for ROW and stuck in 2001 for India
Adding more visas is a legislative process. Applying per country quota is as
per DOL�s discretion.
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oguinan
02-15 09:14 PM
Nope. Article 1 Paragraph 3 just states that the convention does not apply in those cases. The definition of racial discrimination stands. You should read through the US response to the last review under the CERD (in 2003) and check the responses on immigration policy.
Do you have a specific link? There are a number of immigration related documents in the 2003 session, mostly related to the southern border.
I'm not a lawyer - but I do know that the spirit Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the document says that immigration and naturalization laws are somehow "not the same" as other laws when testing for racial discrimination. The spirit of the document is clear - otherwise why provide the second paragraph at all? I think that the case of Bhagat Singh Thind which I cited earlier clearly did show racial discrimination by any reasonable test.
I noticed that you changed my quoted text in the previous post. I'm not sure how that fits in with the traditions and practice of the forums here - but I'd appreciate you mentioning it in the text of your post.
Do you have a specific link? There are a number of immigration related documents in the 2003 session, mostly related to the southern border.
I'm not a lawyer - but I do know that the spirit Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the document says that immigration and naturalization laws are somehow "not the same" as other laws when testing for racial discrimination. The spirit of the document is clear - otherwise why provide the second paragraph at all? I think that the case of Bhagat Singh Thind which I cited earlier clearly did show racial discrimination by any reasonable test.
I noticed that you changed my quoted text in the previous post. I'm not sure how that fits in with the traditions and practice of the forums here - but I'd appreciate you mentioning it in the text of your post.
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lc2004
09-23 04:22 PM
the day this becomes law..it would be better for all of us go home, bcos tht means lawmakers are ready to do anything to get some money and they know this country has gone down beyond repair.
and the day it becomes law..i am sure the situation in this country will be so bad tht most of us wont even have jobs at tht time.
and the day it becomes law..i am sure the situation in this country will be so bad tht most of us wont even have jobs at tht time.
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gjoe
02-15 09:38 AM
Modern Day Slavery in the 21st century
Any person who is restricted from making travel choices, employer choice, personal choices beneficial to himself and his family, just because his employer or the goverment is restricting him in some form to make monetary benefit for itself, is called a slave.
I have reached the critical mass in me to take this up on my own, any legal advice and moral support from you guys would be appreciated.
Thanks
The current situation is a gross voilation of the constitutional right of employment at will. This amounts to Involuntary servitude which is a more techincal term for slavery. Read yourself the definition of both and make your own judgement.
In my view (though crazy and totaly impractical) the law suit should be against all the employers because they are the one who represent Govt/USCIS in processing our Green cards. Employers told us that we will process your greencard and you will be a PR in x number of years and now that x is infinite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will)
At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can terminate the relationship with no liability if there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship. Under this legal doctrine:
“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitude :
Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion. While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.
Any person who is restricted from making travel choices, employer choice, personal choices beneficial to himself and his family, just because his employer or the goverment is restricting him in some form to make monetary benefit for itself, is called a slave.
I have reached the critical mass in me to take this up on my own, any legal advice and moral support from you guys would be appreciated.
Thanks
The current situation is a gross voilation of the constitutional right of employment at will. This amounts to Involuntary servitude which is a more techincal term for slavery. Read yourself the definition of both and make your own judgement.
In my view (though crazy and totaly impractical) the law suit should be against all the employers because they are the one who represent Govt/USCIS in processing our Green cards. Employers told us that we will process your greencard and you will be a PR in x number of years and now that x is infinite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will)
At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can terminate the relationship with no liability if there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship. Under this legal doctrine:
“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_servitude :
Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion. While laboring to benefit another occurs in the condition of slavery, involuntary servitude does not necessarily connote the complete lack of freedom experienced in chattel slavery; involuntary servitude may also refer to other forms of unfree labor. Involuntary servitude is not dependent upon compensation or its amount.
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chanduv23
02-04 09:10 AM
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http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_020207.html
Looks like the final version may be different and may have some loopholes to satisfy AILA and employer lobby.
http://www.murthy.com/nflash/nf_020207.html
Looks like the final version may be different and may have some loopholes to satisfy AILA and employer lobby.
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snram4
01-21 08:16 PM
The solution for this is to talk to USCIS thro IV or AILA or both. If that will not work then lawsuit will be the option if USCIS violated any law. If that also fails then legistrative option to realx the rules. If first option does not work then others are long shot. If nothing works then do not join bodyshoppers.
Everyone knows what the impact would be...no one coming up with the solutions or ready to fight.
Everyone knows what the impact would be...no one coming up with the solutions or ready to fight.
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maddipati1
03-27 02:43 PM
people went to see another guy taking oath too, who caused recent genocide in Iraq.. Indian PMs are way better than that asshole. Atleast they are only corrupt and dont cause genocide.
:mad:
I am just wondering.....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
:mad:
I am just wondering.....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
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Legal
07-25 06:36 PM
Yeah Ron Gotcher is speculating, but there is some credibility to what he is saying. He did predict the rapid movement of PDs toward the end of the year, in fact at one point he was extremely optimistic more than what happened to date. So he did have some insight into the inner workings (or rather non-workings!) of the USCIS. He also openly shared his interaction with Charlie Oppenheim.
This is why people should not get so excited now. What EB2I got is a little hope, for most it will be false hope, a select few have green hope, but we will only know them by Sept. in retrospect.
For the rest of us it will be back to the drawing board, oops message board. My feeling is things are likely to be somewhere between the extremely pessimistic projections of Ron Gotcher and the extremely optimistic projections of VLRao.
I suspect the PD will move back to the April 2004 cutoff and then move forward slowly as spillover allows, so in other words at a rate faster than in the past. I stand by my view that we will need most of next year and perhaps some of 2010 spillover to quench the thirst of EB2I and C.
I don't think the point Ron made that if everything was current it would take 5 plus years for USCIS to clear the back log is correct. If it really is the case then we are more badly screwed than any of us realise and it goes totally against the statistics the USCIS has been leaking about the number of pending cases. Which many of us have number crunched already.
The argument that EB2-1 PD will retrogress to 2002 or 2004 does not seem to be based on numbers, but a random speculation. Doesn't not undermine vdlrao's projections in a credible way
Spillover may not be there, or may be there but when the new quota opens up October 1st, new minimum numbers will be available for EB2-I. Worst case scenario, dates will remain static or very minimal backward movement. It looks like the black hole is the time between late 2004 and early 2005, pre-PERM.Other than saying there is massive inventory of backlogged cases, Ron has not given better/ actual numbers of likely pending EB-2 I cases.
This is why people should not get so excited now. What EB2I got is a little hope, for most it will be false hope, a select few have green hope, but we will only know them by Sept. in retrospect.
For the rest of us it will be back to the drawing board, oops message board. My feeling is things are likely to be somewhere between the extremely pessimistic projections of Ron Gotcher and the extremely optimistic projections of VLRao.
I suspect the PD will move back to the April 2004 cutoff and then move forward slowly as spillover allows, so in other words at a rate faster than in the past. I stand by my view that we will need most of next year and perhaps some of 2010 spillover to quench the thirst of EB2I and C.
I don't think the point Ron made that if everything was current it would take 5 plus years for USCIS to clear the back log is correct. If it really is the case then we are more badly screwed than any of us realise and it goes totally against the statistics the USCIS has been leaking about the number of pending cases. Which many of us have number crunched already.
The argument that EB2-1 PD will retrogress to 2002 or 2004 does not seem to be based on numbers, but a random speculation. Doesn't not undermine vdlrao's projections in a credible way
Spillover may not be there, or may be there but when the new quota opens up October 1st, new minimum numbers will be available for EB2-I. Worst case scenario, dates will remain static or very minimal backward movement. It looks like the black hole is the time between late 2004 and early 2005, pre-PERM.Other than saying there is massive inventory of backlogged cases, Ron has not given better/ actual numbers of likely pending EB-2 I cases.
walking_dude
02-13 11:13 AM
This theory that 'AILA/AILF lawsuit threat overturned July VB' is out of touch with the reality. Threatening lawsuit was bad for AILA. They were not involved in the discussions that finaly resulted in reversal. IV was a participant but AILA was not.
We shouldn't repeat their mistake. The moment IV files a lawsuit, USCIS will stop discussing with us. We will be off the discussion table. Only place they'll talk to us will be in the courtroom. We also shouldn't forget the pressure applied by Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren on USCIS and DOS. She was ready to wash their dirty linen in public. No doubt, she was influenced by rally in San Jose - which happens to be her constituency.
3 year EAD/AP, AC21 interpretation are rules that USCIS makes, there's no way a judge can dictate what rules a government department should make. You wrote "there is nothign to lose but a lot to win" . Like someone pointed out we won't even be recovering 10k -20k spent on it, even if we win. We'll be getting into a case which has no chances or very slim chances of winning.
If we lose the case, there's no going back to discussions with USCIS. They won't be entertaining us after we sued them. It's a grave risk you should understand. I feel tired at having to explain it the Nth time to some of you who still consider AILA as a messiah. Nothing happens because of just one factor. It's a combination of several factors that ultimately produces results. There are no silver bullets that fix every problem. Its the reality.
it is the threat of a massive lwsuit from immigration lawyers association that made uscis backtrack and open up july 2 filing..we are all benefeciaries of that.
itz not our flowers or the rally that did the trick it is the threat of lawsuit.
if we consult lawyers we can check if we have a case and on what grounds. even f not anything else we may win on things like 3 yr AP relaxed ac21 rules etc. these are operational policies and dont need congress. USCIS can change these rules.
there is nothign to lose but a lot to win.
we can even appeal on the grounds that USCIS policies led us in to a bonded labor situation unable to change employer , foregone career choices and income potential..etc.. this violates the concept of free will and just labor practices. Many rules in AC21 and AP still try to tie us down to the employer who has already enjoyed > 5 years of our hardwork.
We shouldn't repeat their mistake. The moment IV files a lawsuit, USCIS will stop discussing with us. We will be off the discussion table. Only place they'll talk to us will be in the courtroom. We also shouldn't forget the pressure applied by Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren on USCIS and DOS. She was ready to wash their dirty linen in public. No doubt, she was influenced by rally in San Jose - which happens to be her constituency.
3 year EAD/AP, AC21 interpretation are rules that USCIS makes, there's no way a judge can dictate what rules a government department should make. You wrote "there is nothign to lose but a lot to win" . Like someone pointed out we won't even be recovering 10k -20k spent on it, even if we win. We'll be getting into a case which has no chances or very slim chances of winning.
If we lose the case, there's no going back to discussions with USCIS. They won't be entertaining us after we sued them. It's a grave risk you should understand. I feel tired at having to explain it the Nth time to some of you who still consider AILA as a messiah. Nothing happens because of just one factor. It's a combination of several factors that ultimately produces results. There are no silver bullets that fix every problem. Its the reality.
it is the threat of a massive lwsuit from immigration lawyers association that made uscis backtrack and open up july 2 filing..we are all benefeciaries of that.
itz not our flowers or the rally that did the trick it is the threat of lawsuit.
if we consult lawyers we can check if we have a case and on what grounds. even f not anything else we may win on things like 3 yr AP relaxed ac21 rules etc. these are operational policies and dont need congress. USCIS can change these rules.
there is nothign to lose but a lot to win.
we can even appeal on the grounds that USCIS policies led us in to a bonded labor situation unable to change employer , foregone career choices and income potential..etc.. this violates the concept of free will and just labor practices. Many rules in AC21 and AP still try to tie us down to the employer who has already enjoyed > 5 years of our hardwork.
Ramba
05-01 05:30 PM
Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.
Really? Then why did India meddle in Pakistan affairs and liberated East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 70s? People should post only after reading complete SL history and how minorities were suppressed. One point of time GOI supported and funded and trained LTTE. The problem for India as well as Sri Lankan Tamils is lack of strong/tough/clever leader like Indra Gandhi. The problem for SL tamils are the "ego" of Prabakaran. He himself wants to be a only leader and not yielding to anyone and not willing to compramise. The LTTE is necessary evil to solve this issue. Without them, one can not find a peace solution. Though, they did lot of mistakes and criminal activites, they needed in negotiation. All political parties in TN and GOI is playin drama in view of election. It is so pain to watch the situation of the innocent peoples trapped in this war. If India, would have stepped in long back, lot of innocent lives would have been saved.
Really? Then why did India meddle in Pakistan affairs and liberated East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 70s? People should post only after reading complete SL history and how minorities were suppressed. One point of time GOI supported and funded and trained LTTE. The problem for India as well as Sri Lankan Tamils is lack of strong/tough/clever leader like Indra Gandhi. The problem for SL tamils are the "ego" of Prabakaran. He himself wants to be a only leader and not yielding to anyone and not willing to compramise. The LTTE is necessary evil to solve this issue. Without them, one can not find a peace solution. Though, they did lot of mistakes and criminal activites, they needed in negotiation. All political parties in TN and GOI is playin drama in view of election. It is so pain to watch the situation of the innocent peoples trapped in this war. If India, would have stepped in long back, lot of innocent lives would have been saved.
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